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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+3)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Nick_G, Mar 8, 2018.

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  1. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    And we'll be better off 'cos we can keep all the crisps for ourselves.
     
  2. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    God, just watched that, how depressing. The immigration card is just full of racism and ignorance.

    Caroline Nokes does not help the Tory cause either.

    What is not addressed though is why they cannot find UK staff. What's everyone doing?
     
  3. Enfield boy

    Enfield boy pfm Member

    3 zero hours jobs already?
     
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  4. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Seems to be a lot of business leaders regularly wheeled out in the media saying they offer full-employment benefits all above minimum wage etc etc but they can't find people. And everyone is doing really shit gig jobs instead.

    Actually, the repsondents are always from quite big employers. They had Wetherspoons, Aston amrtin, The NHS, a quite large looking chicken place and a chain of restaurants, the name I forget.

    Perhaps the Beeb needs to get down to some gritty northern estates in a unit with 10 employees and see what is going on there.
     
  5. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Yes, and immigration concerns are the basis of the Brexit vote.

    Probably many explanations, but unsocial hours, distance from home, rates of pay, lack of prospects and low esteem jobs are contenders. Heavy industry type work has been replaced by the zero-hours contracts.
     
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  6. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Yes....but...the BBC is placing these seemingly benign and appealing companies in the documentary, all of whom say we can't get the staff, That leaves a bit of a question mark.
     
  7. HairyHaggis

    HairyHaggis <((((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸.•´¯`•...¸><((((º>¸.

    what's the question?
     
  8. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Why can't they get staff, why are these companies coming on TV shows saying this whilst people are doing shit jobs or no jobs instead?
     
  9. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    If Gassor is right why is the BBC not saying this?
     
  10. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I think given a choice between your own expert analysis and that of a former Permanent Secretary, Sir Martin Donnolly- you’ll excuse me while I have a Lolz (as you might say).
     
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  11. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    I guess that would require another programme. Immigrants taking low paid, low-status jobs is fairly common across many 'well off' countries. On the other hand, immigrants often have the skills and knowledge that we are short of in the UK. God, even the Daily Mail also tells us that immigrants are hard working and beneficial to the country. "Migrants more are more likely to have job in UK than native workers: Foreigners also more likely to open their own business, report says."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-open-business-report-says.html#ixzz59GmioGvK
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
     
  12. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    True, Dec, I am a mere pleb. He is possibly in the London elite and will be perceived as being more credible than me. But my cynicism is born from close experience. DTI management would often scrabble around looking for info to prove a point, much of which would float to the top for people like him. I was once asked on a panel that included the ambassador to Saudi to discuss objective assessment of countries in the middle east. I put up some data that showed Saudi as being difficult and therefore less attractive to UK companies as a potential export market than other middle east countries. The ambassador went mad and I got in trouble. Why? I was just being objective.

    You may think I am incoherent and thick in comparison. I thought most people in DTI were just completely useless.
     
  13. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    “Elite”,”Expert”- coterminous with “Enemies of The People”. I don’t think you’re thick btw., but youre just not credible next to a Permanent Secretary. It’s the major problem with Brexit- it was built on sand and ignorance and some very dishonest promises by some very large political liars and their payers. Stir together and you have the Endarkenment.
     
  14. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Right, seems Panorama might be picking companies with some gloss to support the point they want to get across, otherwise they would have shown companies less appealing to work in. I mean where is deliveroo on the challenges of finding staff? Their job ad: 'we pay shit money, you get no holidays and sometimes you end up paying for the pizzas because you were a minute late'. But they have a lot of 'staff'

    Another thing is, I must have interviewed 5,000 companies in my 10 years at DTI. Loads of them hated the EU. My guess is more than half. I wish I knew exactly. Even if it was less than half, I don't recall one of them being interviewed in these kinds of documentaries.

    The panorama immigration point was won early on, as gassor says. People on the street don't know what kinds of immigrants they don't want. They just don't want them, even though they don't realise they might need them.

    But it weakens when they interview these posh companies all pro-EU, wheeling Wetherspoons out as the token Brexiteeer.
     
  15. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    ISTM that the BBC is getting about equal stick from those complaining it is too Brexit-friendly (lots of airtime for the likes of Farage) and from those complaining that its coverage is too negatively anti-Brexit. Which suggests, to me at least, that they are geetting the balance about right. The acid test, as always, is 'does it piss off the Daily Mail?' If it does, it can't be far wrong.
     
  16. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    I think you have just, by the example you seem so proud to reference above, just how unsuited you were to whatever position you held.
     
  17. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Not being picky but you interviewed 2 or 3 companies a day for 10 years?
     
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  18. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    Plus what's all this about the "DTI"? The DTI hasn't existed since 2007.
     
  19. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    'It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it'. Plus, presumably there were other duties involved as well as interviewing companies? I must have interviewed hundreds of candidates for jobs over the years, but that was in amongst many other tasks, all far too tedious to describe.
     
  20. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    I was asking richglib. My point was just how feasible it would be to interview 2 or 3 companies a day in a 5 day civil service week? If it were some telephone type survey, then OK. If face to face, with associated travel time depending on which region he worked in, perhaps not so easy.

    Perhaps the guy who did it can tell us?
     
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