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he said his naim was ralph
Are you. Don't hold your breath.
When it comes to you infoming yourself I've learnt to not hold my breath.
^ e.g. of whataboutism akimbo.
Are you. Don't hold your breath.
I object to paying my taxes in Leeds only to see them being spent in London, Cardiff and Edinburgh. Or I would if I were small-minded and didn't recognise that they are part of the same union.
When it comes to you infoming yourself...
Sounds a bit like the policeman in 'allo 'allo.
I think that when Gore Vidal wrote that Britain was a US aircraft carrier off the coast of Europe.
You guess wrongly
fwiw this sound is in your mind.
The difference is that I’m advocating the status quo. I don’t really need a positive argument. It is for those who desire change to show the rest of us why we should desire it too.Yes, and I think that some of this has informed me all along. I wasn't a 'hard' leaver in the referendum, I teetered on the ridgeline. I still do to some degree.
Your 'positive' argument for the EU is that it may (or may not) be bad, but it may be better than the US. That isn't a positive argument either.
There is no status quo. It's gone.
Yes and the overall idea remains. Vidal probably couldn’t foresee “chloro-chicken dumping ground”.I think that when Gore Vidal wrote that Britain was a US aircraft carrier off the coast of Europe.
Taxes and tariffs raised in the uk should be invested for the benefit of the UK in the UK.Do you think it's wrong for taxes raised in that London to subsidise other, poorer, regions of the country? I once worked with someone who thought London should be a separate 'country' and keep all its money for itself. I'm not sure he was joking.
Millions are taken in by his charade, they quite enjoy it. It’s just like Brexit- people voting to make themselves literally poorer. Some are ideologists and some are plain thick.
There are two points there (neither of which relates to your oranges/Japanese cars point, either BTW). First, these are EU tariffs, so where else would they go? Second, the 'EU coffers' is a big and diverse pot. It may, perhaps, subsidise the setting up of a manufacturing plant elsewhere, but it might equally go to a regeneration project in the Rhondda, or large scale civil engineering work in the North East. So to conflate the collection of tariffs with subsidising our competitors is a bit of a stretch.
And then there's the question of foreign aid. Some EU subsidies, perhaps, for example, the car plant in Turkey, might well come under the heading of 'foreign aid'. The UK also does foreign aid, 0.7% of our GDP last time I checked. Most developed nations do. You have to look not just at the bald figures, but the objectives. It is conjecture on my part (CBA to check) but it does seem to me to be at least plausible that the rationale for the Turkey car plant was to create jobs in Turkey, to raise living standards, and reduce migration across the EU's southern border. That might, in the grand scheme of things, be of greater value to the community as a whole than the jobs associated with the car plant.
My point, really, being that it's not black and white, and painting it as such doesn't help.
After the Thatcher rebate we pay in £12 billion we get back 4 billion for projects in the Rhondda or northeast of England etc. Plus the £1,6 billion in tariffs giving a £9.6 billion membership/ subsidy/ assistance or whatever you would like to call it. There are many deprived areas in the UK where this money could be spent to good effect.
Fair competition is fine but giving EU grants, soft loans and subsidies to Eastern Europe to our competitors has resulted in factory migration from western Europe. It is said that for every factory job there are 4 or 5 supply jobs. As western Europe becomes poorer we will see more of the likes of Farage and populist governments.
After the Thatcher rebate we pay in £12 billion we get back 4 billion for projects in the Rhondda or northeast of England etc. Plus the £1,6 billion in tariffs giving a £9.6 billion membership/ subsidy/ assistance or whatever you would like to call it. There are many deprived areas in the UK where this money could be spent to good effect.
How are you going to help the poor African farmer with tariffs on his produce?Taxes and tariffs raised in the uk should be invested for the benefit of the UK in the UK.
Let me guess, youre not an ideologue.
FIFYTaxes and tariffs raised in Yorkshire should be invested for the benefit of Yorkshire in Yorkshire.