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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+21)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ff1d1l, Apr 21, 2019.

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  1. maxflinn

    maxflinn pfm Member

    This post is surreal. Corbyn has spent his whole career standing for what's right.

    He opposes the sick imperialist wars that have left hundreds of thousands of innocents dead and tens of millions homeless.

    He opposes selling arms to terrorist states like Israel and Saudi Arabia - both of which have atrocious human rights records.

    He opposes the nefarious influence of the giant banks and corporations which helps to create ever growing inequality.

    He opposes all forms of racism and bigotry.

    He has stood strong in the face of a coordinated smear campaign involving the right-wing British establishment, pro-Israel shills, the media and the warmongering neoliberal/neocon right-wing Labour politicians you love so much.

    Even when it must have been unbearable, when he barely had a handful of his own party's MPs standing with him, when every newspaper and news programme was asking when he would go, he kept going, because he knew he had a once in a lifetime opportunity to help the long-suffering people who came out to vote for him on two occasions in their hundreds of thousands. People you obviously don't give a shit about!

    I can't think of a stronger leader, of a more principled and resolute leader who could have withstood the onslaught he faced.

    His balls must have their own moons!
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  2. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Talking of surreal.
  3. Colin L

    Colin L LOU Attitude Adjuster

    There’s a difference between have strongly held opinions and being a leader.
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  4. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    Yes. I did.

    As for your pathetic ad hominem dig at my previous employment aren't you supposed to be a mod? Outrageous.
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  5. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    Max I will of course bow down to your knowledge. Your track record in backing outstanding leaders is unparalleled in recent elections.
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  6. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    Well, as you’re so willing to attack all and sundry I don’t see why you’re surprised, there’s an obvious disconnect between what you say and what you’ve done/do. Surprised you squeal so loudly. Champagne socialist anyone?
  7. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    The centre is where most people sit politically. They include the people without any political party loyalty. If you can’t get them to vote for you, you can’t win an election. I don’t see Corbyn doing anything to win them over, in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Seamus Milne despised them.
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  8. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    The great leader’s nuts must have more moons than Saturn.

  9. bernardhepworth

    bernardhepworth pfm Member

    Whatever people say about Corbyn, during his time as leader of Labour, he has consistently shown no leadership qualities. Lots of long term Labour voters are tearing their hair out at how bad the party is being led. Do Corbyn and his mates not understand how difficult it is for traditional Labour voters to go and vote for another party?

    The party is in a complete mess, the only reason why Corbyn is not coming under more scrutiny is because the Tories are in an even bigger mess.........
  10. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Here is the part of my post you ignored. Appreciate it if you can answer. I'm genuinely interested in exactly what it is you want other than your single issue with brexit.

    If you and the thousands doing a runner formed your own party, what would be in your manifesto that is not in Labour's? (ignore brexit for a moment if you can. There are many, many issues that need to be addressed after 9 years of tory govt)

    Sorry, but I really struggle to take what you say seriously given the contstant undertone of bitterness in everything you post about Labour these days. Great example I just quoted there. I do agree Emily is ok though, as are some others. Quite the opposite to the tory party, that you will enable as a government at the next election. They have nobody of any leadership quality at all.
    Last edited: May 29, 2019
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  11. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    Had you considered that as a site moderator you should set your own bar a little higher?

    What I do? Remind me of what I do will you?

    What I did? Well, unlike you I resigned from the Labour Party over Iraq. Or are you referring to your ad hom attack on my employment of over a decade ago? If you are I'd say that's pathetic but as always I'll let others judge as they have in the past.

    As for the champagne socialist comment I think we can file that under ad hom again. Pathetic. Again. But do carry on as I appear to have touched a nerve.
  12. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Those of us natural Labour voters _want_ to vote Labour, Corbyn's dithering on Brexit (the most important political and economic event since WWII) is driving us to distraction. He wants to keep the leavers happy, so he says he'll respect Brexit. He wants to keep remainers happy, so he dangles the possibility of a second vote. Meanwhile the majority of Labour voters, members and MPs support remain, that's where the frustration comes from. His problem is that he, Milne and McClusky are out of step with the majority of his party, the voters want remain, while they want to leave.
  13. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    It's worth reminding you that voting LibDem as you did would have helped enable the tory govt, thereby you helped enable the mess we have today with brexit and many other issues.

    You won't want to hear this but I can see me moving back to Scotland after the next election if the tories are enabled once again.
  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I think what’s going on is that you now see the calamity that’s coming with Brexit and while I welcome your first signs of buyer’s remorse, I’m afraid I’m unable to assist with your need to spread the culpability elsewhere.
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  15. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Mate, That Labour aren't winning over you and other right-wingers doesn't mean they aren't winning over those in the centre.

    Given the years now of media onslaught against Labour, I do understand it will be very difficult for any party other than the hard right tory party to win an election, but we need change soon or 99% of us will be knackered. Vote for, or enable being knackered if you like, just don't complain when the penny finally drops and you're at the latest foodbank grand opening.
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  16. gingermrkettle

    gingermrkettle Deep vein trombonist

    Maybe. However, the results of the last general, local and Euro elections might be more conclusive on that.
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  17. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    I keep reading this line on Pinkfish.... folk who are going to move elsewhere IF.......

    Folk who are going to apply for a second passport ( and do what with it ? ) if Brexit happens.

    It reminds me of the film stars and rock stars who threaten to leave the country every time a Labour government looks like getting into power.

    Is it US all of you are threatening ?

    If your roots and allegiance to this, your country, are so easily given up then why don't you go now ? Build your new life now.
  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    You do realise this is a Brexit thread? The Tory Party has been wrecked by Brexit but unfortunately it appears Labour have too. A search for scapegoats (beyond the party leadership) is going to be a fruitless exercise- the energy would be best put to ensuring Corbyn comes out for a second referendum or better still, just acknowledge Brexit is a colossal act of political and economic self harm and tell the public.
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  19. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Look I like to take a broad, general view of things, you tell me if I've got this wrong: Christian democrats down, social democrats down, the right topping polls in France and Italy, the only vague signs of life from the centre issuing from the greens and those inching towards a more left position (yes, PSOE, thanks to Podemos helping them out). Is this not correct? On closer inspection is the continued decline of the centre actually a resurgence?
  20. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    Your brand view isn't broad enough.

    After each of you points include the words "this time"

    Then you get... 'Christian Democrats down this time' ...and so on.

    To every swing in any direction there has always been a swing back again next time... it has been thus all my life.

    I admit, it is taking a little longer this time but you have to remember that labour under Blair/Brown were in power a long time until the fickle public decided that they wanted a change.

    Speaking of change... I remember doorstepping for Labour when Thatcher was first running for PM. I was talking to Labour voters on the doorstep who, when asked if we could rely upon there vote in the upcoming election replied " No love, I think its time we give a woman a chance "

    Consequently the referendum result didn't surprise me one little bit.
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