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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+21)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ff1d1l, Apr 21, 2019.

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  1. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    That’s quite a projection. Brian, youve always been an English ethnic nationalist, even before Brexit was a thing. Now you have a voice for it and it’s called Brexit, is ok - it’s safe to own it now.
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  2. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Without Scottish MPs Labour's chance of winning any election becomes a very remote possibility. Even Jeremy recognised this last year, "Seats in Scotland vital for Labour election win, says Jeremy Corbyn".
  3. h.g.

    h.g. pfm Member

    This is a question I have asked before when labour was doing a bit better in the polls than they are now. For those that believe labour will win the next general election with the current setup (Corbyn as leader and his faction in control) where do they think the support is going to come from? What type of people that are currently voting in large numbers for other parties are going to switch to voting for labour?
  4. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    You don’t like Labour, then. :D
  5. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

  6. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Your point? That’s old news.

    The political landscape is changing.

    We will see at the next election.
  7. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    As another lifetime Labour voter, I crossed over to the dark side and reluctantly voted LibDem. Felt quite sad.
  8. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    Sheesh, if you can't even read a simple election result without spinning it like crazy to mean the opposite of what happened, what hope is there?

    Here are the facts.
    The three main winners in the European elections were:
    1) the liberals of ALDE (UK LibDems, Macron, FDP, as evil a bunch of centrists as you can think of): up 36 seats or +52%. ALDE went from fourth to third largest group.
    2) the far right ENF (Lega Norte, FN, Vlaams Bel., FPÖ): +22 seats or +61%, all from Lega Norte. The ENF is still only in 7th place.
    3) the mainstream Greens: +17 seats, +32%. The Greens went from 6th to 4th largest.
    The other far right group, EFDD (incl. Brexit Party) picked up 12 seats +28%, not exactly a landslide.

    1) The traditional pro-EU right (EPP) dropped 38 seats (-18%). Mediocre performance by the CDU, and the French LR got slaughtered by Macron and the FN.
    2) the socialdems were down about the same: -32 seats or -17%. 11 of those seats were lost by the German SPD, 10 by Corbyn's Labour and 8 by the incredible vanishing French socialists, so the phenomenon is not confined to the UK.
    3) The Eurosceptic ECR (True Finns, PiS, Tories, SWE Dem) lost 14 seats/18% and 3 places, now ranked 6th.
    4) The nearest thing to your "systemic, egalitarian reform", the left wing GUE/NGL (die Linke, Syriza, assorted Communists, Sinn Fein etc.) lost 14 seats (27%): not exactly an endorsement.

    Looking at it more broadly, the far right/populist lot made gains in some places and lost in others: gains in Italy (Salvini up big time but 5S down), small gains in the UK, flat in France (Le Pen actually lost one seat), down in Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, etc. Overall, far right and Eurosceptic parties picked up a few % but are still where they were last time: about a quarter of the vote, with such widely different agendas that it takes three different groups to accommodate their rivalries and dissensions. The harder left took a beating.

    Centrism is alive and well in Europe. Things will get done in the EU by some coalition of moderate right, moderate left, centrist liberals and greens. If you can't see that, you haven't analysed the results enough.
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  9. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

  10. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    Me too but I didn't vote, couldn't bring myself to vote for the SNP and there's no way on God's green earth I would vote for that shower of sh ! te (Libdems).

    I think that I'll probably vote Green next time but frankly I cannot stand that Patrick Harvie prick so I probably won't.
  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    It is indeed. “Taking back control of our laws, our money and our borders and ending freedom of movement”. If that’s not nationalism, what is?
  12. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I thought you were going to say “ frankly I can’t stand in Partick and say that”.
  13. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    If Caroline Lucas represented the whole of the UK then I'd vote for the Greens but I wouldn't vote for the Scottish version with that Harvie clown as leader.
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Jess Phillips on Alistair Campbell being expelled:

    Yep I do have thoughts, he was expelled quicker than a man who threatened to kill me, quicker than a man in my CLP who denied the Holocaust, both are only still suspended.” (Twitter)
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  15. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Old news? Corbyn said to win the next GE Labour had to win back targetted seats in Scotland, but there is no chance of this happening as support is dwindling not increasing. Labour got less than 10% of the votes in the EU elections, there are reports of a toxic culture in the party up here and Leonard is under pressure to resign. The political landscape has indeed changed and Labour is lost in the wilderness.
  16. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    Indeed, my family voted SNP X 2, Green X 1 and one no voter (me).

    Previously, as a family, we all voted Labour.
  17. alanbeeb

    alanbeeb pfm Member

    JC may want to take stock of the fact that Labour may have no MPs at all in Scotland after the next Election.

    The SNP has taken Labour's place, and has shown that they are not entirely incompetent in government - not brilliant, but not complete f**k-ups.... which by modern UK standards means they are doing better than anyone else.
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  18. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    Sorry to disagree but there's never been more radical fence-sitting...
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  19. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    You’re deluded, there’s as much chance of that happening as there is of Brexit being good for the country.

    This is everything that’s wrong with Corbyn’s Labour Party in a sentence. He is the leader isn’t he? Aren’t leaders supposed to set the tone? Provide ahem, leadership? Constructive ambiguity is just bollocks, it’s being frightened to do something. Procrastination is what it is. Being frightened to stand up for what is right for fear of getting flack or alienating voters. Never mind that if you’re a ‘conviction politician’ you’re supposed to show some conviction, the man quite simply has no balls. Emma Thornberry is twice the leader he is. Get someone like her in charge and we have a chance of having a progressive Labour Party in charge. Corbyn may have a progressive agenda, but he’s so hopeless that he’d never carry it out. He’s weak, ineffectual and completely out of his depth. I’m sorry for voting for him as leader now.
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  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Until a Labour government led us into an invasion of Iraq, I had voted Labour in every single council, Westminster, European and Scottish Parliament election from the age I was first allowed to vote. LibDem thereafter because I wasn’t going to vote for a party that was responsible for so many Iraqi and other deaths based on an outright lie.

    2010 was when I began voting SNP- no longer prepared to vote for a party shoring up the Tories. I’ve liked what the SNP have done in Scotland, even taking a higher rate of income tax out of my pocket to support public spending. I like that they are a European Party and have opened the door to immigrants who contribute to our economy. Scotland needs 300,000 working immigrants to cover the aging demographic shift and above all they intend to keep Scotland’s place in the EU.
    Remaining an EU citizen stands above all else for me and for so many people I know and I’m amazed how many of my friends and relatives have shifted their support to the SNP. There’s no going back now.
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