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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+14)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by sean99, Jan 17, 2019.

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  1. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I'm sure it is - it's the DUP that is out of step.
  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The Good Friday Agreement is an international peace treaty. It mandates no hard border between NI/Eire. All this petty squabbling by trumped-up (I choose that phrase accurately) delusional idiots in the Tory party can’t be allowed to impact something so hard-won and with a history of such bloodshed. The EU are 100% right to treat May with the contempt she deserves on this one.
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr, gavreid and ff1d1l like this.
  3. drummerman

    drummerman pfm Member

    European Research Group has agreed to support Brady's amendment.
  4. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    The EU won’t allow goods and people to cross its border into a non EU country which is why there will be a hard border if there’s no deal.

    This ain’t rocket science.
  5. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    The real point about the backstop of course is that Brexiteers hate it because they know there is no way to solve the problems of the Irish border so it effectively means we would stay in the EU customs union forever.
  6. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    With May’s deal Ireland effectively becomes a united Ireland
  7. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Another dingbat fantasist.
    Just suppose we didn't pay the 39BN - which we owe, and have agreed we owe - just suppose we didn't pay it, what sort of trade deals might we subsequently attract, with a recent 39BN default, and what sort of rates might we be able to borrow at?

    I'm glad you enjoyed the program. I've yet to see it.
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  8. avole

    avole The wise never post on Internet forums

    Why would the eu research group who are totally opposed to the eu do that? Beats me :)
  9. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    They are voting on the Corbyn Unicorn Amendment now. There is no chance this passes.
  10. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Thanks for the one liner, ET.
    So, our austerity measures were an EU order.
    Show me it. Show me when we were threatened.
    Show me the EU directive saying that although they had ended advocating austerity some years ago, we were to carry on with it regardless, under pain of some sort of EU sanction.
    Why would they, when we weren't even in the euro?
  11. drummerman

    drummerman pfm Member

    Probably the first time I agree with you.
  12. drummerman

    drummerman pfm Member

    :) yes ...
  13. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    “We will have to find an operational way of carrying out checks and controls without putting back in place a border.” Michel Barnier, January 2019.

    It's called Realpolitik. We'll undoubtedly be seeing more of it, and by no means just from the UK.

    The EU isn't sticking up for a small member country. If it were, it would be looking for solutions, not obstructions. Varadkar is the EC's current useful idiot.

    The Irish treasury is estimating that a hard brexit will knock 4 percentage points off of the country's GDP. That will take the smirk of Varadkar's face.

    There was apparently a not unantagonistic conversation about Ireland's corporation tax regime at the Davos shindig last week. When the EC decides that the time's up, Ireland will be going under the bus. The EU is a fair weather friend.
  14. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    Cause it allows May to try to 'renegotiate' the 'backstop' with the EU but the real reason is to defeat Evette Cooper's amendment to extend A50.
  15. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    I didn't say anything about austerity in the UK being an EU order (though I wouldn't discount it). I said that austerity was an EU, and EU-wide, policy.
  16. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    BTW, if Scotland or Wales goes independent and both manages to obtain EU membership sometime afterwards then England will have to face this backstop issue again on both the Welsh and Scottish borders.

    I would vote for Scottish independence tomorrow frankly.
  17. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Grieve amendment now...
  18. Ragaman

    Ragaman Mentalist

    Poor voted for Brexit, we are so concerned Brexit will affect the poor, stupid thicko racist right wing leavers, now which is it people?
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  19. stephen bennett

    stephen bennett Mr Enigma

    If technology and other methods are available to avoid a hard border-or will be as Brexiteers think-why are they nervous of the backstop?

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr likes this.
  20. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

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