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Discussion in 'off topic' started by drummerman, Jan 3, 2019.

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  1. drummerman

    drummerman pfm Member

    The Royal College of Physicians want to classify obesity as an illness rather than lifestyle ...
  2. Still

    Still beware of the duck

  3. Simon Vess

    Simon Vess pfm Member


    It is all about victimation

    Nobody is responsible for anything anymore

    When bad things happen in your life it is never your fault

    Everyone is a victim and should evince sympathy for their difficulties, never blame for causing their own problems

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  4. calorgas

    calorgas pfm Member

    Fat chance.
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  5. hifilover1979

    hifilover1979 Bigger than you...

    Awesome... I'm permanently ill and proud then :D

    One day, they'll wake up and smell the coffee and realise the BMI is up its own arse... At 6ft 4, apparently, I should be around 88kg in bodyweight :rolleyes: I've seen bigger golf clubs :p
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  6. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    BMI is useless...especially for fat sprinters like me. Last test I had I was obese at 14st 7lbs and 5' 10" but had a resting heart rate of 48 at age 51.
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  7. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    BMI is broken as it is based on the square of your height, when it should be the cube as you should be bigger in both width and depth as you get taller.
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  8. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    An immoderate view. No shades of grey in your world?

    Some people are victims, some aren't. Fatness can go either way, of course, or be a combination.
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  9. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    Makes sense to me. Obesity, alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling and sex addiction, are all part of the same thing. You can't stop doing what is destroying you and affecting the people around you. This is why it isn't simply a case of will power. If it was there wouldn't be so many fat people or ones dying from overdoses.

    Some obese people go to therapists, treatment centres and 12-Step Meetings, or all three. In severe cases they end up in hospital and are operated on.

    The only completely free deal, as far as I know, are 12-Step meetings. The latter helped to sort out my drug and alcohol problems 24 years ago. They aren't for everyone though.

    I know some people who go to Overeaters Anonymous, including - to be sexist for a moment - some very attractive women. If I thought had a food problem, I'd go along.

    Whether obese people, alcoholics, drug addicts, gambling and sex addicts, actually have a disease is a moot point. I do believe they are different on a mental, physical and emotional level from the majority of the population. This together with social and psychological factors helps to bring on addiction.

    The other weird thing about the disease is it can transfer from one realm to the another. There are plenty of fat ex-drug addicts. They might not be getting a buzz from heroin or crack any more, but they do from a McDonald's Triple Thick Chocolate Shake. These are diet versions though compared to the 2,000 calorie shakes you can find out and about.

    I've never had one, but I imagine you get an instant sugar and serotonin rush, feel fantastic for a little while, then glance in shame at your bulging figure in a shop window as you waddle down the street to buy some new clothes.

    The real situation might be different from my bit of fiction of course. It is good that the RCP have recognized obesity as a disease though. Twenty-four years of dealing with addiction, and seeing some of my friends die, has taught me that.

  10. Bananahead

    Bananahead pfm Member

    BMI is an indicator only. But it is amazing that so many fat people claim that it shouldn't apply to them. ( I am smack on the midpoint but would prefer to be at the bottom )
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  11. Wilson

    Wilson _

    An immoderate view. No shades of grey in their world...
  12. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Some people can eat anything and stay slim.
    Some people gain weight very easily.
    Close attention to diet can help, but it doesn't provide a cure in all cases.
    Some people are fat because they are idle undisciplined greedy bastards. They can often lose loads of weight simply by diet and exercise.

    One of my daughters tends to be overweight. She works, is a busy mother of two, visits the gym regularly, is careful what she eats and has run numerous marathons and half marathons. Yet she remains overweight.

    Explain that...
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  13. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    What's stopping them?

    Seriously, though, smoking is an unwise lifestyle choice often resulting in the illness of lung cancer. Obesity is a (presumably) undesired outcome of a different, unwise lifestyle choice.
  14. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    Midnight visits to the fridge? Cakes under the bed?
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  15. kennyh

    kennyh pfm Member

    Do the Marathon routes go past many KFC's and Macs mull? :D
  16. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    I blame Mary Berry.
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  17. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    One thing I think - I’m not sure about this - is that our society is geared to make people eat too much and eat unhealthily. We comfort ourselves by eating more than we need, we celebrate by eating more than we need, we associate success with more food than we need. We’re surrounded by ads designed to make us buy more food than we need. Add to this that some unhealthy foods are sometime cheaper and easier to prepare and more easily available than healthier ones.

    The roots of increasing obesity are complicated, but I can’t help think that a big part of it is the profit demands of the food industry.
  18. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    If obesity is characterized as a lack of will power as opposed to a disease, how would you characterize anorexia nervosa? Too much will power, steely resolve?

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  19. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    What adults do is a matter for them. Fat children, though, are not fat through choice. If obesity is such an issue then sort out the parents who make their children fat.
  20. fatmarley

    fatmarley Registered User

    What about obese babies?
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