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Oasis eviscerated

Discussion in 'music' started by sideshowbob, Jun 10, 2021.

  1. James Evans

    James Evans Bedroom Bodger

    "It was a bunch of songs that I had written that we recorded; it only seems inaccessible because everyone had given up and started listening to dreary pub rock records. Some things haven't changed."

    Rather apt
  2. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    The whole period running up to Oasis in Manchester was appalling to me - living there in central Manchester as I did. The gun totting and shootings in the North were getting serious and the crime (robbing and drugs) was obvious, even in the Factory owned bar next to Aflecks Palace, I can't remember what they called it. Also the knifings at Maine Road, the nurses were very fearful of home games. It was seriously intimidating, violent and not to be glorified in any way, which is what the Gallagher brothers did. It was a kind of white supremacy but wasn't expressed in those terms then. Scummers.
  3. deebster

    deebster Half Man Half Biscuit

    It’s a dot com sitcom
    About a hip hop chip shop

    (insert bowing emoticon)
  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The mistake he made was putting a ridiculously radio-friendly album out at exactly that time (Wake Up!)! IMHO it’s their weakest, but it catapulted them right into the midst of it. They were always in a different league IMO (I knew Martin quite well early on in their career and the Boos really didn’t fit in that whole Brit Pop/lads mag scene at all).
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  5. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    Bit of a Slade tribute band, I preferred Blur, Suede and The Verve to be honest.

    I do have a couple of original Oasis albums on Vinyl though that are worth a pretty penny, so I won't slag them off too hard as they may make me some money one day.
  6. cutting42

    cutting42 Arrived at B4 Hacker Erg \o/

    Def team Blur not team Oasis; I love me a bit of Blur, bit of a fanboi back in the day, still have a listen although some is a bit cringy today. Loved the tunes and lyrics even if the mockney got a bit wearing.

    Oasis did have some great singalong tunes, Wonderwall stands well as do a few others but sooooooo derivative , all about the swagger and attitude which captured a moment in time. Not my style mate... (nicked from "that" Audi advert).
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The bar was called Dry. I went there a fair few times. There was a similar rise in gang culture in Liverpool too, and I’m sure everywhere else. This crap has always existed, it is always there, but I suspect the E and cocaine thing of that timeframe was just so huge it spilled right over into public view in ways it usually doesn’t. Many very dodgy people were making simply insane amounts of money fuelling the club drug culture and it all went over to Brit Pop etc too. I was close enough to it (I knew some folk who ran club nights etc) to overhear some of the stories of threats and intimidation. It was basically a protection racket in clubs and late-night bars, one the owners were powerless to resist as, well… guns.

    PS This is a key reason I believe in legalisation of drugs. It would just remove the whole gang culture, violence and intimidation, and move a multi-£bn industry into taxation where it could pay for the damage it causes. Drug use is absolutely rife in the UK. It absolutely stinks of skunk etc everywhere around here, you can’t walk down the street without smelling it, and pill & smack use is widespread too. Anyone who wants it can clearly buy it right now, so that is no counter argument to legalisation IMO. We likely can’t change the basic demand, that is just human nature, but we can control the supply and defund the violence.
  8. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    Better to be derivative from excellence than be uniquely crap!
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  9. sideshowbob

    sideshowbob 47 Lab Rat

    I love Martin. Proper musician. The Boos were by some distance the best thing about 90s guitar pop.
  10. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    That's right - thank you. It was fascism but we didn't think that could be a thing at the time - the police were even worse it has to be said
  11. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    I was at The Hac on the helicopter night:
    It was a great shame as it was ruined by the gangs, but for a short while it was THE club. We moved on to Space Funk but that was quickly attacked as well.
    Fortunately by the time the Electric Chair took off things had moved on and the scene was back underground...for us dancing in Manchester clubs did not begin nor end at the Hacienda.
  12. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    "Barney and Me" was a top single but never found anything else by them to my liking.
  13. RickyC6

    RickyC6 Infuriate the frog-men

    The Boo Radleys have steadily become my favourite band of the 90s.
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  14. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    I was obsessed with Giant Steps for a couple of years after it came out - the minidisc I taped it onto rarely left my rucksack.

    I don't think I've heard it in 20 years but this thread had made me curious to hear it again.
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  15. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    A rather strange quote from A. Punter in that article.

    ‘I really can't see that very much good came out of this period short of 'lad' culture and the willingness to accept average music’
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I view Everything’s Alright Forever and Giant Steps as superb whole albums. I’m actually amazed/shocked/in awe by Giant Steps as I’d all but given up on guitar/rock music by the time it came out so only really discovered it a lot later. I’d lost all contact with them by then as they were playing huge festivals all over the place, touring America etc. Giant Steps really is a monumental piece of work, a remarkably ‘whole’ album that needs every part, has everything in exactly the right place, and most significantly it stands up now and still sounds fresh and innovative. I did see them once around that time and it was great, but it wasn’t until many years later I really got to understand what they had made (I was at pretty much all of the early Ichabod & I-era and before gigs, we were on each other’s guest lists etc).
  17. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    Blimey, must get some stronger light bulbs. I read that as Grant Shapps.
  18. sideshowbob

    sideshowbob 47 Lab Rat

    I gave away at least 4 copies of Giant Steps to friends when it came out. None of us were much into white boy guitar indie by that time, but it was such a special record it needed proselytising for. It worked too, it's still a favourite record for all of those people. Wake Up and C'mon Kids likewise.
  19. kensalriser

    kensalriser pfm Member

    Oh I don't disagree, that was not a comment on its actual or relative musical qualities.
  20. robs

    robs should know how this works by no

    Must admit I like Oasis, at least the first two albums. The music is good. The personalities of the musicians are not really relevant when I listen to music.
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