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"NHS at breaking point, and broken"

I think like all organisations there are brilliant NHS staff and there are poor NHS staff but some things I have observed in the past 12 months due to supporting a friend with cancer:

1. Nurses (many after doing a 4 year degree) can't prescribe so much as a paracetamol or put a dehydrated patient on an IV drip without sign off by a Doctor. This leads to long wait times for decisions from overworked Doctors. Well trained but junior staff should have more authority/empowerment. In my friend's case (a 50yr old woman with stage IV breast cancer being treated for a broken hip) the symptoms were - weakness, extremely low blood pressure (90/60), urine the colour of malt whisky in her bag and vomiting. I (with no medical training) repeatedly kept telling the nurses she was dehydrated and needed IV fluids). They (with 4 years medical training and years of experience on the wards) ignored me and said any decisions like that would be taken by the Doctor. In the meantime they kept trying to get my friend out of bed to walk around on her hip repair when she was too weak to stand! It took 2 days until she was seen by a Doctor who (yes you guessed it!!) prescribed an IV drip - my friend then recovered rapidly!

2. Desperately needed multi million pound cancer beam therapy machines like Cyberknife (of which I believe there are only 3 in the country - Bristol, London and I think Leeds) only operate between 9-5 MOn-Fri. meanwhile people wait too long for treatment with them... Now I work in the airlines and I can tell you that their multi million pound airline training simulators are in use literally 24 hours a day. Walk into the sim hall at 3am in the morning and those machines are in use - because companies don't like multi million pound machines lying around doing nothing!!

3. My local Doctors surgery were unable to send me a copy of my referral letter to a specialist by email and I had to drive in to collect a paper copy because they are "only allowed to email other NHS email addresses and nobody outside the NHS for security reasons". Now I ask you - in an age where companies conduct multi million pound trade deals over email and have been doing for probably 2 decades at least when is the NHS going to get with the program and develop working business processes that leverage the benefit of technology????

4. Oh and why is it that staff in the airlines fly 24/7, 7 days a week and yet Sat and Sunday there's barely a GP in the nation working, there's only a skeleton staff in hospitals and at night hospitals run on a bare minimum staff? People get sick or have accidents day and night 7 days a week and so I see no reason why the hospitals, Doctors surgeries, nurses and Doctors aren't working around the clock like airline crew (and many other businesses) do.

I'm the first to acknowledge that the Tories have royally ballsed up the system by underfunding it (below inflation) for the past 12 years. They have caused the Brexit shitstorm which has reduced the supply of skilled European Doctors and nurses who work here, they have cut funding at universities for training Doctors and nurses which means less have been trained and all of this has led to an over-reliance on (expensive) bank and agency staff. Labour funded the NHS at above inflation as a matter of policy and things got a lot better under them.

It's not just the NHS it's the entire fabric of Britain that is failing under the 'small state' mentality of the Conservatives. Never in living memory have the roads, transport, hospitals, ambulances, universities and other critical national infrastructure been in such a shocking state. I for one am sick and tired of them looking after the non-dom's, the offshore tax haven users and the large transnationals booking very little tax through the UK exchequer. I have a multi millionaire Brother in Law who would never have to pay a marginal rate of tax above 20% anyway (because he runs his own company and pays himself dividends attracting corporation tax at 20% ish) who now uses an offshore wealth management company in Jersey to reduce his tax liabilities further. God knows what percentage of his actual earnings he pays in tax but it must be the square root of bugger all.... Meanwhile muggins here earning about £55 000 with an airline has a marginal tax rate of 40% plus about 9% NI on every penny I earn above about £40k and nobody gives me a tax deductible on my car needed to get to work or my petrol expenses... In fact the inland revenue recently came after airline crews for taxation on their overseas allowances which are paid to enable us to eat or get a coffee or whatever in the Hilton in Berlin etc which as you can imagine isn't cheap but is totally necessary. Judging by Question Time last night I am not alone. The Conservatives are finished at the next election because they have become the party who look after the top 5% like my Brother in law and screw the other 95% - including both the middle classes (like me) and the working classes and poor. If Starmer decides to bring in proportional representation then the Tories will be finished for good and never again will this nation be led by a party of such incredibly narrow appeal. Last time they were elected into Government on a mere 43.6% of the vote with a massive majority and 365 seats due to the way the current boundaries and first past the post loads things in their favour. The Lib dems as an example won 11% of the vote (a quarter as many votes as the Tories) and got just 11 seats - it's not democracy, it's ridiculous!

2 - Availability of suitably qualified and experienced personnel. Where hospitals can staff for longer hours, they do - many radiology departmentes are now seven days a week and longer hours than 9-5.

3 - Public sector IT has been and always will be years behind what the private sector can do, and does do. Everything is done at the lowest price, IT Has been all but outsourced and all the good contract managers go to private sector.

4 - See 2.

Bottom line: poor funding, outsourcing and a seeming disinterest by NHS to retain good staff.
 
2 - Availability of suitably qualified and experienced personnel. Where hospitals can staff for longer hours, they do - many radiology departmentes are now seven days a week and longer hours than 9-5.

3 - Public sector IT has been and always will be years behind what the private sector can do, and does do. Everything is done at the lowest price, IT Has been all but outsourced and all the good contract managers go to private sector.

4 - See 2.

Bottom line: poor funding, outsourcing and a seeming disinterest by NHS to retain good staff.
Actually, I suspect 3) (the thing about having to go to collect hard copy rather than have it emailed) is a local rule rather than IT related. It may just be the surgery's own processes, or perhaps the local NHS Trust makes some rules (no idea how this works in practice) but my guess would be that it's an overreaction to the fact that some GPs have fallen foul of the ICO by emailing sensitive health data to the wrong recipient. So, rather than instigate suitable checks and processes to prevent this happening (or mitigate it if it does), they just lock it down.
 
Actually, I suspect 3) (the thing about having to go to collect hard copy rather than have it emailed) is a local rule rather than IT related. It may just be the surgery's own processes, or perhaps the local NHS Trust makes some rules (no idea how this works in practice) but my guess would be that it's an overreaction to the fact that some GPs have fallen foul of the ICO by emailing sensitive health data to the wrong recipient. So, rather than instigate suitable checks and processes to prevent this happening (or mitigate it if it does), they just lock it down.

I suspect a bit of both - I suspect that the NHS lacks the technology or knowledge to exercise good didgital security / authentication to avoid mistakes like that.

Oh, and many of their customers are of the age where they prefer paper. I know I do.
 
I think like all organisations there are brilliant NHS staff and there are poor NHS staff but some things I have observed in the past 12 months due to supporting a friend with cancer:

1. Nurses (many after doing a 4 year degree) can't prescribe so much as a paracetamol or put a dehydrated patient on an IV drip without sign off by a Doctor. This leads to long wait times for decisions from overworked Doctors. Well trained but junior staff should have more authority/empowerment. In my friend's case (a 50yr old woman with stage IV breast cancer being treated for a broken hip) the symptoms were - weakness, extremely low blood pressure (90/60), urine the colour of malt whisky in her bag and vomiting. I (with no medical training) repeatedly kept telling the nurses she was dehydrated and needed IV fluids). They (with 4 years medical training and years of experience on the wards) ignored me and said any decisions like that would be taken by the Doctor. In the meantime they kept trying to get my friend out of bed to walk around on her hip repair when she was too weak to stand! It took 2 days until she was seen by a Doctor who (yes you guessed it!!) prescribed an IV drip - my friend then recovered rapidly!

2. Desperately needed multi million pound cancer beam therapy machines like Cyberknife (of which I believe there are only 3 in the country - Bristol, London and I think Leeds) only operate between 9-5 MOn-Fri. meanwhile people wait too long for treatment with them... Now I work in the airlines and I can tell you that their multi million pound airline training simulators are in use literally 24 hours a day. Walk into the sim hall at 3am in the morning and those machines are in use - because companies don't like multi million pound machines lying around doing nothing!!

3. My local Doctors surgery were unable to send me a copy of my referral letter to a specialist by email and I had to drive in to collect a paper copy because they are "only allowed to email other NHS email addresses and nobody outside the NHS for security reasons". Now I ask you - in an age where companies conduct multi million pound trade deals over email and have been doing for probably 2 decades at least when is the NHS going to get with the program and develop working business processes that leverage the benefit of technology????

4. Oh and why is it that staff in the airlines fly 24/7, 7 days a week and yet Sat and Sunday there's barely a GP in the nation working, there's only a skeleton staff in hospitals and at night hospitals run on a bare minimum staff? People get sick or have accidents day and night 7 days a week and so I see no reason why the hospitals, Doctors surgeries, nurses and Doctors aren't working around the clock like airline crew (and many other businesses) do.

I'm the first to acknowledge that the Tories have royally ballsed up the system by underfunding it (below inflation) for the past 12 years. They have caused the Brexit shitstorm which has reduced the supply of skilled European Doctors and nurses who work here, they have cut funding at universities for training Doctors and nurses which means less have been trained and all of this has led to an over-reliance on (expensive) bank and agency staff. Labour funded the NHS at above inflation as a matter of policy and things got a lot better under them.

It's not just the NHS it's the entire fabric of Britain that is failing under the 'small state' mentality of the Conservatives. Never in living memory have the roads, transport, hospitals, ambulances, universities and other critical national infrastructure been in such a shocking state. I for one am sick and tired of them looking after the non-dom's, the offshore tax haven users and the large transnationals booking very little tax through the UK exchequer. I have a multi millionaire Brother in Law who would never have to pay a marginal rate of tax above 20% anyway (because he runs his own company and pays himself dividends attracting corporation tax at 20% ish) who now uses an offshore wealth management company in Jersey to reduce his tax liabilities further. God knows what percentage of his actual earnings he pays in tax but it must be the square root of bugger all.... Meanwhile muggins here earning about £55 000 with an airline has a marginal tax rate of 40% plus about 9% NI on every penny I earn above about £40k and nobody gives me a tax deductible on my car needed to get to work or my petrol expenses... In fact the inland revenue recently came after airline crews for taxation on their overseas allowances which are paid to enable us to eat or get a coffee or whatever in the Hilton in Berlin etc which as you can imagine isn't cheap but is totally necessary. Judging by Question Time last night I am not alone. The Conservatives are finished at the next election because they have become the party who look after the top 5% like my Brother in law and screw the other 95% - including both the middle classes (like me) and the working classes and poor. If Starmer decides to bring in proportional representation then the Tories will be finished for good and never again will this nation be led by a party of such incredibly narrow appeal. Last time they were elected into Government on a mere 43.6% of the vote with a massive majority and 365 seats due to the way the current boundaries and first past the post loads things in their favour. The Lib dems as an example won 11% of the vote (a quarter as many votes as the Tories) and got just 11 seats - it's not democracy, it's ridiculous!

Very good post.
My concern with PR in this small, hate riddled island is this. We end up with a Netanyahu who does desperate deals with the lunatic fringe, the conservative party is full of them. The EU, while not perfect appeared to be able to stop Austria sliding into fascism, though, perhaps playing some kind of long game, it seems not to feel quite as strong to tackle Orban. PR might be the answer here, but it's not that long since Farage's lot were polling over 10% and they only pulled back to give the ERG control.
 
Oh, and many of their customers are of the age where they prefer paper. I know I do.

Lots of people don't have good access to email. When my OH worked in an East London library quite a lot of her job was helping people without computers, or sometimes the skills to use them, to fill out government forms that could sometimes only be accessed online.
 
With some trepidation I phoned my GP surgery this morning to request a letter of referral to my chosen consultant orthopaedic consultant regarding the state of my right hip. When I had my left hip replaced some years ago he told me my right was on the way out too and would need attending to. Well the time has come.
After being put on hold for several minutes I was told by the receptionist I could not have a letter without a prior consultation with a GP, but a phone one would do. OK I thought. However the earliest phone consultation they could offer with the doc they had down as my GP would be in 8 days! I pointed out it was a group practise and I didn’t care who I had the consultation with. They managed to find me one with another of the GPs I have seen regularly tomorrow.
Worra palaver.
 
This is a very good piece

Without health there is no wealth. Why do so few governments understand this?
Tim Jackson
Politicians are wrong to believe that we can only afford decent care in good economic times

"The debate on both sides is predicated on a profound misconception that wealth comes first and health comes second. That we can only afford care if the economy is booming. It couldn’t be more wrong. Without health there is no wealth. Without care there is no health. Care is investment. It’s not a luxury consumer item. It’s the most fundamental investment of all. And scaring nurses into impossible ward rounds is the very opposite of productivity."

"Our willingness to invest public money in financial assets, military hardware or physical infrastructure and not in people makes no sense. There’s no more perverse illustration of this than the fiasco of the Nightingale hospitals during the pandemic. Built at a cost in excess of £500m, they never reached anything like full capacity because there weren’t enough staff to run them. The showpiece London hospital had 500 beds. It treated only 54 Covid patients during the entire pandemic."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/16/invest-britain-economy-spend-nhs
 
I think like all organisations there are brilliant NHS staff and there are poor NHS staff but some things I have observed in the past 12 months due to supporting a friend with cancer:

1. Nurses (many after doing a 4 year degree) can't prescribe so much as a paracetamol or put a dehydrated patient on an IV drip without sign off by a Doctor. This leads to long wait times for decisions from overworked Doctors. Well trained but junior staff should have more authority/empowerment. In my friend's case (a 50yr old woman with stage IV breast cancer being treated for a broken hip) the symptoms were - weakness, extremely low blood pressure (90/60), urine the colour of malt whisky in her bag and vomiting. I (with no medical training) repeatedly kept telling the nurses she was dehydrated and needed IV fluids). They (with 4 years medical training and years of experience on the wards) ignored me and said any decisions like that would be taken by the Doctor. In the meantime they kept trying to get my friend out of bed to walk around on her hip repair when she was too weak to stand! It took 2 days until she was seen by a Doctor who (yes you guessed it!!) prescribed an IV drip - my friend then recovered rapidly!

2. Desperately needed multi million pound cancer beam therapy machines like Cyberknife (of which I believe there are only 3 in the country - Bristol, London and I think Leeds) only operate between 9-5 MOn-Fri. meanwhile people wait too long for treatment with them... Now I work in the airlines and I can tell you that their multi million pound airline training simulators are in use literally 24 hours a day. Walk into the sim hall at 3am in the morning and those machines are in use - because companies don't like multi million pound machines lying around doing nothing!!

3. My local Doctors surgery were unable to send me a copy of my referral letter to a specialist by email and I had to drive in to collect a paper copy because they are "only allowed to email other NHS email addresses and nobody outside the NHS for security reasons". Now I ask you - in an age where companies conduct multi million pound trade deals over email and have been doing for probably 2 decades at least when is the NHS going to get with the program and develop working business processes that leverage the benefit of technology????

4. Oh and why is it that staff in the airlines fly 24/7, 7 days a week and yet Sat and Sunday there's barely a GP in the nation working, there's only a skeleton staff in hospitals and at night hospitals run on a bare minimum staff? People get sick or have accidents day and night 7 days a week and so I see no reason why the hospitals, Doctors surgeries, nurses and Doctors aren't working around the clock like airline crew (and many other businesses) do.

I'm the first to acknowledge that the Tories have royally ballsed up the system by underfunding it (below inflation) for the past 12 years. They have caused the Brexit shitstorm which has reduced the supply of skilled European Doctors and nurses who work here, they have cut funding at universities for training Doctors and nurses which means less have been trained and all of this has led to an over-reliance on (expensive) bank and agency staff. Labour funded the NHS at above inflation as a matter of policy and things got a lot better under them.

It's not just the NHS it's the entire fabric of Britain that is failing under the 'small state' mentality of the Conservatives. Never in living memory have the roads, transport, hospitals, ambulances, universities and other critical national infrastructure been in such a shocking state. I for one am sick and tired of them looking after the non-dom's, the offshore tax haven users and the large transnationals booking very little tax through the UK exchequer. I have a multi millionaire Brother in Law who would never have to pay a marginal rate of tax above 20% anyway (because he runs his own company and pays himself dividends attracting corporation tax at 20% ish) who now uses an offshore wealth management company in Jersey to reduce his tax liabilities further. God knows what percentage of his actual earnings he pays in tax but it must be the square root of bugger all.... Meanwhile muggins here earning about £55 000 with an airline has a marginal tax rate of 40% plus about 9% NI on every penny I earn above about £40k and nobody gives me a tax deductible on my car needed to get to work or my petrol expenses... In fact the inland revenue recently came after airline crews for taxation on their overseas allowances which are paid to enable us to eat or get a coffee or whatever in the Hilton in Berlin etc which as you can imagine isn't cheap but is totally necessary. Judging by Question Time last night I am not alone. The Conservatives are finished at the next election because they have become the party who look after the top 5% like my Brother in law and screw the other 95% - including both the middle classes (like me) and the working classes and poor. If Starmer decides to bring in proportional representation then the Tories will be finished for good and never again will this nation be led by a party of such incredibly narrow appeal. Last time they were elected into Government on a mere 43.6% of the vote with a massive majority and 365 seats due to the way the current boundaries and first past the post loads things in their favour. The Lib dems as an example won 11% of the vote (a quarter as many votes as the Tories) and got just 11 seats - it's not democracy, it's ridiculous!

this post of the month !!!
they had Gerry Robinson say the same thing about theatres . and yes Dr`s should listen to patients
a GP practice i know tried sat opening but no one was interested . however our local one does open sat

 
I think like all organisations there are brilliant NHS staff and there are poor NHS staff but some things I have observed in the past 12 months due to supporting a friend with cancer:

1. Nurses (many after doing a 4 year degree) can't prescribe so much as a paracetamol or put a dehydrated patient on an IV drip without sign off by a Doctor. This leads to long wait times for decisions from overworked Doctors. Well trained but junior staff should have more authority/empowerment. In my friend's case (a 50yr old woman with stage IV breast cancer being treated for a broken hip) the symptoms were - weakness, extremely low blood pressure (90/60), urine the colour of malt whisky in her bag and vomiting. I (with no medical training) repeatedly kept telling the nurses she was dehydrated and needed IV fluids). They (with 4 years medical training and years of experience on the wards) ignored me and said any decisions like that would be taken by the Doctor. In the meantime they kept trying to get my friend out of bed to walk around on her hip repair when she was too weak to stand! It took 2 days until she was seen by a Doctor who (yes you guessed it!!) prescribed an IV drip - my friend then recovered rapidly!

2. Desperately needed multi million pound cancer beam therapy machines like Cyberknife (of which I believe there are only 3 in the country - Bristol, London and I think Leeds) only operate between 9-5 MOn-Fri. meanwhile people wait too long for treatment with them... Now I work in the airlines and I can tell you that their multi million pound airline training simulators are in use literally 24 hours a day. Walk into the sim hall at 3am in the morning and those machines are in use - because companies don't like multi million pound machines lying around doing nothing!!

3. My local Doctors surgery were unable to send me a copy of my referral letter to a specialist by email and I had to drive in to collect a paper copy because they are "only allowed to email other NHS email addresses and nobody outside the NHS for security reasons". Now I ask you - in an age where companies conduct multi million pound trade deals over email and have been doing for probably 2 decades at least when is the NHS going to get with the program and develop working business processes that leverage the benefit of technology????

4. Oh and why is it that staff in the airlines fly 24/7, 7 days a week and yet Sat and Sunday there's barely a GP in the nation working, there's only a skeleton staff in hospitals and at night hospitals run on a bare minimum staff? People get sick or have accidents day and night 7 days a week and so I see no reason why the hospitals, Doctors surgeries, nurses and Doctors aren't working around the clock like airline crew (and many other businesses) do.

I'm the first to acknowledge that the Tories have royally ballsed up the system by underfunding it (below inflation) for the past 12 years. They have caused the Brexit shitstorm which has reduced the supply of skilled European Doctors and nurses who work here, they have cut funding at universities for training Doctors and nurses which means less have been trained and all of this has led to an over-reliance on (expensive) bank and agency staff. Labour funded the NHS at above inflation as a matter of policy and things got a lot better under them.

It's not just the NHS it's the entire fabric of Britain that is failing under the 'small state' mentality of the Conservatives. Never in living memory have the roads, transport, hospitals, ambulances, universities and other critical national infrastructure been in such a shocking state. I for one am sick and tired of them looking after the non-dom's, the offshore tax haven users and the large transnationals booking very little tax through the UK exchequer. I have a multi millionaire Brother in Law who would never have to pay a marginal rate of tax above 20% anyway (because he runs his own company and pays himself dividends attracting corporation tax at 20% ish) who now uses an offshore wealth management company in Jersey to reduce his tax liabilities further. God knows what percentage of his actual earnings he pays in tax but it must be the square root of bugger all.... Meanwhile muggins here earning about £55 000 with an airline has a marginal tax rate of 40% plus about 9% NI on every penny I earn above about £40k and nobody gives me a tax deductible on my car needed to get to work or my petrol expenses... In fact the inland revenue recently came after airline crews for taxation on their overseas allowances which are paid to enable us to eat or get a coffee or whatever in the Hilton in Berlin etc which as you can imagine isn't cheap but is totally necessary. Judging by Question Time last night I am not alone. The Conservatives are finished at the next election because they have become the party who look after the top 5% like my Brother in law and screw the other 95% - including both the middle classes (like me) and the working classes and poor. If Starmer decides to bring in proportional representation then the Tories will be finished for good and never again will this nation be led by a party of such incredibly narrow appeal. Last time they were elected into Government on a mere 43.6% of the vote with a massive majority and 365 seats due to the way the current boundaries and first past the post loads things in their favour. The Lib dems as an example won 11% of the vote (a quarter as many votes as the Tories) and got just 11 seats - it's not democracy, it's ridiculous!

Much of this is, I'm afraid, at worst untrue and at best an application of political or personal prejudice rather than evidence.

1. Nurses above a certain band have been able to prescribe pretty much as many drugs as junior doctors for about 20 years. I remember co-authoring the legislation that enacted this in the early 2000s. We needed it so nurses could prescribe antibiotics in walk-in centres (which were a, sadly abandoned, good idea).
2. We have spent about £160M in the past year updating LINACs, not to mention an immense investment in proton beam centres at UCL and the Christie. As a result, waiting times for specific radiotherapies are a matter of weeks.
3. I suspect that if the NHS accidentally leaked your patient-confidential information, you'd be even angrier than in the post above. There are processes here for a reason.
4. Much primary and emergency care does work 24 hour. We have a way to go, and (I'd argue) fought a junior doctors strike 10 years ago about this against my better judgement, but compared to (eg) my recent experiences of the US, we are much, much better. Literally thousands die in every US state each year because of lack of access combined with poverty. We actually try to count this in the UK. Few other countries do.

Your post is a kind of weird mixture of patient-as-consumer (which has a policy future, which I've been chasing for years), and just gut Tory-hate (fair enough). In any case, as someone who suffers from its failures as much as anyone, I hope your experience gets better.
 
It was fantastic being able to prescrible some drugs and products .saved the doctors a lot of time .took hundreds of hours study and exams to be able to do it though

A lady i know is training to be able to presribe as a pharmacist
 
but compared to (eg) my recent experiences of the US, we are much, much better. Literally thousands die in every US state each year because of lack of access combined with poverty.

We'd better be, the US doesn't do welfare state.

Euro Health Consumer Index 2018

1.3.16 United Kingdom

16th place, 728 points. A 2014 survey to the public of the UK, asking about “What is the essence of being British?” got the most common response “Having access to the NHS”. Nevertheless, the UK healthcare system has never made it into the top 10 of the EHCI, mainly due to poor Accessibility (in 2018 only beating Ireland on this sub-discipline) and an autocratic top-down management culture(?). The country, which once created the Bletchley Park code-breaking institution would do well to study the style of management of professional specialists created there!

Mediocre Outcomes of the British healthcare system have been improving, but in the absence of real excellence, the tightened 2017 criteria puts the U.K. on par with Estonia and the Czech Republic in the middle of the field.


https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2018/EHCI-2018-report.pdf
 
More than “Idiotic”.

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Superb full one hour C4 News special on the Tory-driven collapse of the NHS. So much hard evidence and first-hand experience. Well worth watching on C4+1 if missed. Exactly the type of scrutiny this vile government of thieving shits needs. The Tory MP assigned today’s oligarch money-laundering shield, Helen Whately, is exactly the predictable truth-twister we have come to expect.
 
I see some of the managers had to work on the wards and had a fair bit of trouble with the new technology ...!! Good for mangers to know what goes on at coal face
 


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