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Next Labour Leader II

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Sue Pertwee-Tyr, Jan 11, 2020.

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  1. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    This is roughly the reason I've just switched my vote on this poll from Phillips to Starmer. I think this year is going to be chaos. Johnson is going to fail to deliver on something significant, and the Tories are going to start looking like the self-interested shower of incompetents we believe them to be, but in a way more visible to more of the voting public.

    What Labour needs, if this comes to pass, is somebody calm, competent and consistent. A rock people will come to believe they can rely on. That would go a long way to planting the idea that Labour is electable. We don't need innovative policies, or groundbreaking initiatives, because with the current Tory majority, it would all just be piss and wind anyway. So hold your fire on that, and concentrate on repositioning Labour as a party of competence. That means somebody like Starmer, who is capable of looking like a stabilising influence while all around is going to shit. He might not be the one to lead the party into the next election, or the one to develop the innovative social reform and left-wing initiatives, but that's not what's needed right here right now. What we need is a helmsman who can hold the current course in a storm. Starmer looks like the most likely candidate for that.
     
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  2. doctorf

    doctorf left footed right winger

    He’s got about as much charisma as Karl Pilkington; without the sense of humour.
     
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  3. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    What is charisma? And how can you tell how much of it someone has?
     
  4. flatpopely

    flatpopely Prog Rock/Moderator

    Start with Corbyn at 0% and increase as applicable.
     
  5. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Boris has a lot of charisma. Unfortunately he is also a lying, selfish, irresponsible, arrogant, racist sort of chap. Some people think that is OK (as long as he is the right sort of racist of course).
     
  6. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    As I thought, a subjective judgement without serious application
     
  7. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Some people prefer it to integrity...
     
  8. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Integrity is so 20th century. Boring.
     
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  9. flatpopely

    flatpopely Prog Rock/Moderator

    Think about applying it to the last election.
     
  10. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Charisma is an intangible thing but you know when someone has it. Unfortunately it doesn't always get packaged up with integrity, e.g. Clinton.
     
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  11. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    I wonder at cause and effect here: charismatic individuals may have less need to behave well as they can get away with more.
     
  12. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    There is probably something in that.
     
  13. 35451

    35451 Guest

    I read the most convincing description of what charisma is and how it works and develops.
    Charismatic people are described as posesdeong power, presence and warmth.
    It can be acquired and learnt. A bit American and NLP, but useful to expliain why the likes of Jobs, Blair etc ooze charisma.

    A good read if you are interested.

    Olivia Fox Cabane.
    The Charisma Myth

    Synopsis white board

     
  14. chris@panteg

    chris@panteg pfm Member

    I've switched to Keir Starmer, I can vote as an affiliated GMB rep, yes I know he lacks charisma, so what but I just think he's the best choice to oppose Johnson in the house of commons. And I also think Becky would be ripped to shreds, sorry but she'd be much better in supporting role but not as leader.
     
  15. doctorf

    doctorf left footed right winger

    FWIW I think Starmer will be shredded by Johnson. His lack of humour and his lack of good effective confrontational argument will soon be very apparent.
     
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  16. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    The thing to remeber about Charisma.. is that it is politically neutral. A charismatic leader can mobilise people for good, or for evil.

    Now think about that.... and Johnson....
     
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  17. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Best we find someone of similar or greater charisma to counter Boris Johnson then. Any ideas?
     
  18. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    I have a feeling the Boris' Charisma will not stay the course. We've already seen how he needs to be protected by his lackeys.. even over Iran. How long can that last?
     
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  19. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Boris will do just fine as long as he doesn't actually try and answer any questions asked of him...
     
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  20. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    As I said on the 'Stuff the Left' thread. It's folly to wait for that to happen - given his track record and yet, here he is as PM for the next five years, that might not happen. Who's from Labour can be a more attractive alternative to the PM? And, that doesn't mean who has the best policies...
     
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