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New Porsche Cayman....6 pot and No Turbo!!!

Discussion in 'off topic' started by andyoz, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. andyoz

    andyoz pfm Member

    Porsche released the revised 718 Cayman a few years back with 4 cylinder Boxster turbo that sounded like an Imprezza.

    The market has spoken....they're back to a naturally aspirated 6 pot boxster engine for their non GT model.

     
  2. Alex S

    Alex S carbon based lifeform

    The 4 pots’ll soon cost buttons used.
     
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  3. andyoz

    andyoz pfm Member

    They've been dropping already before the announcement....the 6 pot GTS was a well leaked thing

    The 4 pots are actually a performance bargain if you don't crave the 6 pot sound/response (I'm in the latter group though)
     
  4. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    That's good news. I hope BMW follows suit and makes non-turbo sixes like they used to. I had a 1983 320i that was the best-built car I ever had, and now a 1999 528i which is also excellent, although already overloaded with electronic gadgets.
     
  5. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    I had one too, a 325i E30 Sport only 4 years ago....it was nowhere near as solid as my current 2011 BMW..and it was slow!
     
  6. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Porsche had to do it: they must have been losing so many sales to the 410hp BMW M2 Competition.
    I wouldn't mind BMW going back to the 8 cylinder non-turbo though...
    But will we all be driving electric in 10 years...
     
  7. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    do they stand up to comparison? 2 seater sports car and a souped up saloon. They might have lost some sales but that is like comparing apples with pears.

    My dealer tells me me many 6 pot pot Boxster fans moved to buying used 911s, which is in effect what I did (via the Macan).
     
  8. andyoz

    andyoz pfm Member

    Porsches move to a 6 cylinder GTS has been the worst kept secret and great to see.

    With new 718 GT4's currently selling for silly 'overs' hopefully this dampens that a bit...the GT4 has been the only way to get a 6 pot Cayman for the last few years.
     
  9. andyoz

    andyoz pfm Member

    I've been reading some buyers of 4 pot 718's have been getting pre reg new ones for 20% off list the last month or so.
     
  10. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    What do you expect a Porsche dealer to tell you ?
    Almost everyone didn't like the 4 pot Cayman/Boxster and BMW probably make the best inline 6 so yes I think they lost significant sales. And that became serious when BMW were forced (emissions) to drop the M4 engine and other proper M bits into the M2 a couple of years ago.
    Aesthetics are obviously different but many like a 'wolf in sheep's clothing', the driving position, the boot and the useable rear seats. I wouldn't call an M2 Competition a pear until you've driven one.
    The 911 is a great car. But it is a different price point or a few years old.
    IMO the M2 Competition is the best BMW made today, and may go down as the last classic BMW.
     
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  11. Fatmarley

    Fatmarley pfm Member

    I thought a turbo was supposed to be a good thing. Why do people not want them?
     
  12. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    They used to be too obvious in use but that is largely fixed now. Today it is more about the sound (or lack of), and because most keen drivers prefer 5/6/8 cylinders to 4.
     
  13. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Purely for achieving similar power with low emissions. Trouble is, under the new emissions testing rules, there’s no clear advantage to a lot of modern turbo engines in real driving.


    ie... it was ALL a con.
     
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  14. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Fuel consumption should be a bit less with a turbo than a larger engine.

    For decades Porsche were concerned not to cannibalize 911 sales. By finally giving the Cayman/Boxster the 4 litre 6 they must have decided they no longer had any choice; or that the latest 911 has moved into a luxury, higher priced segment. Or, most likely, a bit of both.
     
  15. James

    James Lord of the Erg\o/s

    ...and a flatter and fatter torque curve to boot. I don't think I can go back to naturally aspirated unless it displaces 6.0 litres.
     
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  16. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    I have had this debate on here time and time again, and to be frank it is boring.

    I have been using that dealership for 10+ years, the principal is a friend of mine, I fully understand what they are telling me. I'm in there a couple of times a week for a coffee on my way home from work. I know what see with my eyes.
     
  17. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    yes exactly IYO.......
     
  18. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Obviously prof. Just like everything you write is IYO. And everyone else is their opinion. Otherwise there would be no discussion about anything.
    How many times are you going to mention this.
    Do you have to win every discussion ?
    We got it: you have a 911. You have mentioned at every opportunity. Yours is the bestest. :rolleyes:
     
  19. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    Ah so its a competition now then? that explains it. Another for my ignore list...............
     
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  20. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    Specifically for the 718, Porsche were asking fans of the great sounding normally aspirated flat 6 to accept a muffled 4 cylinder. It didn’t happen.

    At a basic level, every Cayman and Boxster is ‘fast enough’ to not need a turbo for performance. So it was purely for a perceived fuel economy/emissions improvement. Trouble is, as we all now know after VW, those figures were a manipulated con.
     
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