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New gas boilers banned 2025

Discussion in 'off topic' started by hifinutt, May 18, 2021.

  1. mikeyb

    mikeyb pfm Member

    Meanwhile USA, Russia, China, India etc etc
     
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  2. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    apparently hydrogen will not be in wide supply . How will hydrogen get to the house ? Will they have to spend billions digging up the roads
     
  3. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Hydrogen is compatible with all but burners in the gas system (as was the case when the move town to natural gas happened). They even know that the smell currently added to natural gas, works with hydrogen.

    The smart petro-chem's companies - Shell et al, are already ploughing their money into hydrogen.
     
  4. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    But presumably you have to have a network of pipes to supply it to your house?
     
  5. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    yes - the current gas network. Just change what gets pumped into it. (I am sure it ISN''T that simple, but close).
     
  6. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    What about all the millions that don't have hydrogen compatible boilers?
     
  7. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    No different to when the change happened town to natural gas - change the burners - it was free with town to natural.

    How old are you, do you not remember the change? I certainly do.
     
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  8. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    All the UK needs is MASSIVE investment in electricity generation (but very little in the electricity grid).
     
  9. Alvarado

    Alvarado pfm Member

    Yep, that's what I think too. Much that I would love to have access to a lower carbon energy source for my house, and much that I would like the Govt to ban new gas boilers from 2025, what is available in my area as an alternative to gas powered central heating can be sourced only as a very bespoke (and hence expensive) solution, and (according to my plumbing brother in law who's into this kind of stuff) is ground source heating. It's not even on the radar for most wealthy householders never mind the more typical punter.

    I do believe there is a need to get rid of gas boilers but in the short term at least as pressing is a need to stop making gas boilers with a less than 10 year design life. They are the ultimate crap white electrical and at £2k a time they waste a tonne of resources every time you are forced to get rid. In the olden days when these things were just jumped up kettles with a pump rather than being reliant on fancy circuit boards they lasted a whole lot longer which is far more sustainable. It's a balance of lifetime emissions and the current crop just don't cut it.
     
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  10. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Most new boilers are easily converted
     
  11. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    LLOL - could not agree more with every one of your points @Alvarado

    Just common-sense and science (and a dash of economics).
     
  12. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    ah might have been fairly young to remember it . Some interesting stuff on vaillant website but BBC seems to imply only 11% of population can have hydrogen as supply limited.

    Got to get a new boiler this summer hence the concern and as you may have guessed I have a fair few boilers to look after and it does not look a cheap option
     
  13. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    It also takes electricity to generate hydrogen of course...
     
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  14. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Quite
    I just changed a fully working 47 year old boiler for a new one.
    It was inefficient and we needed some other work doing on the house so changed it for a combi.
    I doubt my new one will last that long.
     
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  15. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Easiest way yes, but there are other ways. Hence my comment - invest in industrial off-grid generation, but from renewables, which are frequently most relaible/efficent MILES from the grid anyway. Lay one pipe, not gazillions of miles of (overhead) cable.
     
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  16. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Absolutely - so fix that NOW and stop faffing elsewhere
     
  17. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger

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  18. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    The trouble is competing demands. I don't think you'll get capacity for the wide uptake in electric cars at the same time as changing over domestic heating whatever is done. You are talking massive investment and in nuclear too all to be ready by near enough tomorrow...
     
  19. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    All fossil fuel boilers, including oil, will be banned.
     
  20. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Preaching to the converted.

    Up-thread I do some dirty maths that suggests that moving away from gas to electricity would require a 30-fold increase in electricity grid capability.
    I have searched but cannot find a kWhr figure for UK domestic liquid feul consumption for transport, but I suspect that it is is totally HORRIBLE compared to domestic, home energy use. So, how much would the UK electicity grid capability have to be uprated by? 100 fold? 200 fold? More?

    If I can find details for domestic liquid fuel consumption, I'll post details.....

    There is NO option but nuclear, ultimately.
     

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