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Multi-function football thread 2019/20 season II

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ks.234, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    That not what happened. It was the second yellow that needed checking.
     
  2. christray

    christray pfm Member

    Think you know exactly what was meant ;)
     
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  3. christray

    christray pfm Member

    My
    My point, unnecessary. Didn't he dislocate it in 2018 also.
     
  4. christray

    christray pfm Member

    Can the VAR intervene on bookings?
     
  5. omers

    omers pfm Member

    Of course, in this case. But in another, if a player gets a first card for nothing, and then a second yellow card, then the first card becomes "game changing" as well so it should be checked retrospectively?
     
  6. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Presumably Arsenal, like Leeds, will have an open topped bus parade that no one should attend?
     
  7. Rack Kit

    Rack Kit pfm Member

    All this chat but no mention of the improvement Mikel Arteta has made to Arsenal since he’s been there. They look like a proper drilled unit now. If he keeps this up, City will be having him back when Pep eventually leaves. ;)
     
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  8. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    You make a very good point.
    What could happen is VAR checks all the yellows in real time but in the background as the game goes on and then signal is made to rescind blatant errors when play stops for a corner or throw. Therefore no delay to play.
     
  9. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    Arteta has made improvements to Arsenal since he's been there.;)
     
  10. webster

    webster Listen & enjoy.

    Hopefully Wolves go on to win the Europa League and thus qualify for the CL next season.
    They've played some really good stuff this season and deserve to play in Europe.
     
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  11. webster

    webster Listen & enjoy.

    I don't want to get embroiled in a long discussion about VAR but surely to goodness it should be used to check decisions that are likely to be game defining?
    A quick review of the incident involving Kovacic and Xhaka yesterday would have resulted (imo) in both teams retaining a full compliment of players for the last half hour and a yellow for Xhaka for (to put it politely) unsportsmanlike conduct.As it was a poor decision by Taylor killed the game stone dead - it was the FA Cup Final FFS!
     
  12. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    The second yellow card to Kovacic was definitely wrong. Ian Wright and Alan Shearer made that clear on MOTD this morning. I'd expect nothing different from Anthony Taylor though. He's a crap referee and should never have been used for a second time in a Cup Final.

    "Lampard, meanwhile, struggled to comprehend how VAR was unable to get involved and overturn the decision to send off Kovacic when replays appeared to indicate it was Xhaka who initiated contact.

    "He said: ‘What kind of rule is that? There’s always been a rule about you can’t challenge two yellows and all this stuff but someone is sitting there really stubbornly sticking to their guns on that one.

    ‘We have VAR so let’s use it as much as possible to get the right decision. That’s nowhere near, that changes the game. It was never a red card.’" https://metro

    It is obvious to us in a few seconds in televisonland whether a decision is correct. Likewise in Europe. In England though the process is strung out for a long time and this has made watching the game a chore.

    The FA is at fault here. In England refs can't even look at pitch-side monitors, which are used in The Champions and European Leagues. It wouldn't surprise me if this was down to some Brexit nutters in The FA. However things are changing.

    "Pierluigi Collina, the former Italian referee, who is now the chairman of Fifa’s Referees’ Committee, will oversee VARs and he has made it clear that he wants the system to be used the same way across the world ...

    "It means Collina will now be in charge instead of David Elleray, the former English referee who is IFAB's technical director and had been seen as the chief architect of VAR."

    UEFA and FIFA have been mired in corruption. They and the FA should be questioned and watched very carefully.

    Jack
     
  13. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    I agree. ;)

    That was already his second cup final.


    Kind of what I already said earlier.
     
  14. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    Decent game. Chelsea played really well in the first 20-odd mins. If they can keep that up for 90 mins and for the majority of a season they could easily challenge the top two. Congrats to Arsenal.

    In its first season, the VAR 'system' performed well. It is fallible though as it still relies on human referees. Amazon no doubt are working on that.

    (And on a side note, all the best to Eddie Howe).
     
  15. roman

    roman pfm Member

    That way madness lies!
     
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  16. roman

    roman pfm Member

    Every player gets his own bus.
     
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  17. omers

    omers pfm Member

    Thia is logical but IMO too much VAR. The mind looks back all the time, and the here and now of the game loses meaning.
    Omer.
     
  18. roman

    roman pfm Member

    Oddly the ref did look at the monitor in a league match against Leicester very recently. As a result Eddie nketiah was sent off.

    I don't understand why it doesn't happen more.

    Commiserations on the defeat!
     
  19. omers

    omers pfm Member

    Exactly
     
  20. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    As you say it is just opinions but I think if technology can be used to right blatant wrongs without interfering with flow then it should be used. Rescinding yellow cards in the background is a case in point and the game actually gains in meaning as it has not been ruined by an incorrect sending off.

    For example a player gets a yellow card for nothing in the first half. VAR looks at it in the background and decides it was an incorrect decision. Signal to the ref is made and the decision is reversed at the next natural break in play such as free kick, corner or throw in.
    This is actually simpler and does not involve any of the delays of other VAR decisions currently.
     
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