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Met police to hand in weapons and stop killing black Britons

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Dogberry, Sep 14, 2022.

  1. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    The point is that they didn't know who might be in the car from an automated trigger. What they would have known, everybody present, that he wasn't pointing a gun at the Police because it has been conceded that he didn't have one...
     
  2. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    The police couldn’t possibly have ruled out him having a firearm in the vehicle. If he had one he wouldn’t have got the chance to point it at police. Using a vehicle as a deadly weapon is perfectly OK presumably?
     
  3. Andrew C!

    Andrew C! Been around a while....

    Have you seen the video or the evidence?
     
  4. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    That's a well worn excuse which will undoubtedly be rolled out again but it's not an imminent danger with a gun at your head.
     
  5. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    You seem to know what happened and why so will leave you to it. I have my own theory but fully accept I could be wrong. We’ll find out.
     
  6. Andrew C!

    Andrew C! Been around a while....

    I have several, but will wait for further updates and then further reflect…
     
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  7. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    He had no gun - that was accepted, eventually! Any of us could be believed to be carrying a gun in the car at anytime and, therefore, be fair game otherwise - more so if you're black and happen to be in London.
     
  9. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans

    A person doesn't have to hold a gun in line of sight to pose an imminent threat to life.

    There are lots of places within reach of a car's occupant that wouldn't be in the line of sight of anyone standing outside.
     
  10. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    No but it helps. Why the initial obfuscation from the Police?
     
  11. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    The police couldn’t rule it out at the time. A vehicle is OK to use as a weapon presumably. Anyway, this is a waste of time as you know what happened without seeing any evidence. A lovely day so time for a dog walk in the slaughters, which despite the name, is about the least likely thing to ever happen there.
     
  12. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I do - the ('institutionally racist' and 'institutionally corrupt') Police shot an unarmed black person in the head with a single bullet. He died a little later in hospital.
     
  13. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Surely as he was subsequently shot, and he could reasonably have held that expectation, if he had so used the vehicle it would be in self defence?
     
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  14. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    No it's not, as we all know. We also all know that if the vehicle stops, as this one did, then it's no longer an effcetive weapon.
     
  15. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans

    I can't help with that bit; the evidence is (understandably) not being widely shared at this stage. I just wanted to point out a couple of facts that seemed to me to have been forgotten in this discussion.
     
  16. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

    Go on,tell us.
     
  17. Andrew C!

    Andrew C! Been around a while....

    Thanks, but no. I gave my thoughts very early on in this thread, and will wait and see what comes out of both investigations.
     
  18. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    There's no way around it, he was shot and killed, they saw no gun because there was none, a stopped car is no weapon. So unless he had a knife or other deadly weapon in his hand this is an unlawful killing.

    Being the unidentified driver of a car linked to gun/drug crime with no gun visible shouldn't be the all clear for a head shot.
     
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  19. Ponty

    Ponty pfm Member

    And if said vehicle shunted police vehicles in an attempt to flee? Then the police thought he was reaching for a weapon? All conjecture at this stage, we simply don’t know the full picture.
     
  20. Andrew C!

    Andrew C! Been around a while....

    If these were the only factors to consider, then I take your point. However having been confronted with lots of conflict situations, if only they were as straightforward as you portray…
     
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