LP12 or not LP12, the question! (Linn Sondek)
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yuckyamson
pfm Member
Yes.
Eyebroughty
JohnC
No.
Is a BMW still a BMW after you change the body, engine, wheels etc
Ask BMW if they thought it was, am sure they would not say yes.
Is a BMW still a BMW after you change the body, engine, wheels etc
Ask BMW if they thought it was, am sure they would not say yes.
The Far North
pfm Member
In music terms it's really a cover version rather than an original, but sometimes the cover version can be better .........
It depends on whether your view is of the thing. If it's a museum piece, then no it is not the same thing. I'd feel this way about a very early one (I had S/no about 1500, from 1973) and I think that if you are keeping it as a historical artefact then it's a valid view. If however you want to use it as a high performance item, then modifications are allowed and yes, it remains an LP12, albeit a modded one.
This debate runs continuously around classic cars and bikes. If you had Steve McQueen's motorbike from The Great Escape, would you feel comfortable about fitting a different engine? Likewise the IoM TT winner from 1965. No way, it wuld be a travesty. If however you gave me a 1980 Caterham 7 with a blown engine, I'd be more than happy to drop a fuel injected Zetec in there, complete with 160-odd bhp, or a Fireblade engine, and throw away/sell the knackered old X-flow. It's all reversible, after all.
This debate runs continuously around classic cars and bikes. If you had Steve McQueen's motorbike from The Great Escape, would you feel comfortable about fitting a different engine? Likewise the IoM TT winner from 1965. No way, it wuld be a travesty. If however you gave me a 1980 Caterham 7 with a blown engine, I'd be more than happy to drop a fuel injected Zetec in there, complete with 160-odd bhp, or a Fireblade engine, and throw away/sell the knackered old X-flow. It's all reversible, after all.
Norman Green
pfm Member
If it looks like a Linn, sounds like a Linn, it might be a Linn.
The best sounding Linn was obviously the first one l bought : it had a big red button and there was a brochure with a kind of big squashed yellow lion on it. The 'lion' had its fingers in its ears and there was a caption 'Hear no evil' - or something like that.
The cartridge was an Elite 500 and the arm was a Rega. In attendance was a 12 /110 ,later 160 (after a Nytech calculatortuneramp) and early picture frame Saras (after Arc 101, after Videoton minimax 2 ).
Later, when I took another Linn to London for servicing I was informed that the stylus was ok but I shouldn’t play records with it.
I don’t know.
The best sounding Linn was obviously the first one l bought : it had a big red button and there was a brochure with a kind of big squashed yellow lion on it. The 'lion' had its fingers in its ears and there was a caption 'Hear no evil' - or something like that.
The cartridge was an Elite 500 and the arm was a Rega. In attendance was a 12 /110 ,later 160 (after a Nytech calculatortuneramp) and early picture frame Saras (after Arc 101, after Videoton minimax 2 ).
Later, when I took another Linn to London for servicing I was informed that the stylus was ok but I shouldn’t play records with it.
I don’t know.
Not all pattern non genuine parts are "inferior".
I'd put Ferodo or Mintex pads and Brembo discs on a BMW. They would perform every bit as well as the originals. Who do you think makes the pads for BMW anyway?
Parts branding is a money making scheme for car manufacturers, unless they use a very specialised application (and why would they?) then an SKF or Timken bearing is the same as a BMW one. I have seen identical products in different packs any number of times.
This is not to say that a Korean remould is to the same spec as the Michelins or Pirellis fitted from new, but to say that the key to quality is the part specification and not the name on the box.
I'd put Ferodo or Mintex pads and Brembo discs on a BMW. They would perform every bit as well as the originals. Who do you think makes the pads for BMW anyway?
Parts branding is a money making scheme for car manufacturers, unless they use a very specialised application (and why would they?) then an SKF or Timken bearing is the same as a BMW one. I have seen identical products in different packs any number of times.
This is not to say that a Korean remould is to the same spec as the Michelins or Pirellis fitted from new, but to say that the key to quality is the part specification and not the name on the box.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
I believe that all heresies should be ruthlessly stamped out.
I work in an automotive (OEM) designing cars
By pattern I was implying "copied" not original spec parts...... For sure most of the car is made by suppliers.As long as you know it's the same spec then sure.....
2by2
pfm Member
Where does the etc. end, though?
Is there one component that marks the threshold between "Linn" and "non-Linn", or is it a matter of a certain percentage of parts? Curious what people might think.
clifftaylor
Absolutely retired!
You could have a similar debate involving Linn made parts - the LP12 has gone from thin sheet materials glued together, saggy top plates, armboards attached using the smallest screws known to man etc to weapons grade one piece subchassis & armboard etc. The word used to be "lossy", but I doubt if Linn have used it for yonks.
Daniel Quinn
Banned
turntables must be the sum and sound of thier materials . malcom steward upon loving the pt vectored linn [ carbon fibre ,balsa , vector pulleys , dc motor , said it still had the linn family sound . never believed another word he said after that ,
Igloo Audio
Registered User
Pinky
In suspense, not compressed
I think this is the point.
So you change the psu, motor, plinth, top plate, baseboard, subchassis to 3rd party components and what do you have you left that is a Linn part - the platter, sub platter and bearing. Is having those 3 parts left sufficient to still call it a Linn? I would say not.