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Looking to buy a R&R machine...

Discussion in 'classic' started by Theo, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    Yes Agree Jez I have heard Ali's TD20A and its also superb and a nice looking deck as well
    Their Cassette decks are also supposed to be very good as well so I bought a Tandberg TCD 440A but it needs a complete overall to get it working properly

    Alan
     
  2. Ali T

    Ali T pfm Member

    Quite sure the SE will be very nice, but don’t discount the quarter track machines, they are more useful as a home recorder as you get twice the recording time on each tape. My Tandberg only does 7.5 ips, but sounds great nonetheless. Not heard an SE but it’s hard to imagine it would be much better than the normal version.
     
  3. Ali T

    Ali T pfm Member

    As an aside, the best sound I’ve heard in my system at home was from the Tandberg- a recording of some acoustic stuff from Sky Arts HD, just stunningly good. The series was called Songbook, keep an eye out for it, fantastic sounds.
     
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  4. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    They are indeed very good. I have 2 TCD440A's, one in good working order and which I fitted a new belt kit to and the other blows a fuse at switch on... I can't be arsed to fix it...
    Also have a TCD320A (2 head) which is very good.
    Oh and a NEAL 103 which is at least as good as the TCD440A believe it or not!

    The only time I've used cassette in over 20 years was to test the good TCD440A when I was thinking of selling it a year or so ago...
     
  5. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    One of the reasons for wanting a 15ips version is that a friend has a couple of the 'Tape Project' and 'Chasing the Dragon' reels, which run at that speed. I'm curious about these, even though they are stupidly pricey.
     
  6. madmike

    madmike I feel much better now, I really do...

    Just when I was getting out of R 2 R....you had to show those pictures...damn you!
    My big reel machine is now gone and I have left two 7 inch machines, an Akai 4000DS and a Tandberg something or other. It needs some recaps and it has sat in storeage a few years....
    Oh they are so gorgeous but I have no use for them any more.
     
  7. topoxforddoc

    topoxforddoc pfm Member

     
  8. Ali T

    Ali T pfm Member

    Ah well that’s a good enough reason to get one lol, love to hear some of those tapes.
     
  9. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    The irony is I'm wanting to sell my digital set-up (NVA TFS - a machine you know well) to buy this R2R machine...

    Truth is, I just engage with legacy equipment much more than streamers & DACS. I suspect my age comes into play :)
     
  10. Ali T

    Ali T pfm Member

    Yes can relate to that.
     
  11. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    So...anybody got anything that they would like to move on?
     
  12. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    Me too I have a really excellent Digital system but I would rather record a playlist onto tape and just listen to it over and over :D
    Ive been listening to Herby Hancocks "River, the Joni letters" and played it to death but its an excellent album
    Alan
     
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  13. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    The best and cheapest way to start is to look for a Revox A77, being the oldest consumer model they started showing their age a few years ago with the frako, Rifa and tantalum capacitors failing so people just wanted to move them on. so if you are interested in a project look for one of them but you would have to be prepared to do a full recap to be sure its reliable. Think that Jez Arkless has one for sale but Im not sure of its condition
    The thing is the A77 is a 10.5" reel model but because of its simple discrete circuitry it actually sounds very good when serviced.
    Alan
     
  14. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    Hi Alan - I'm looking at various B77s and PR99s at the moment. Hopefully a half-decent one will show up...
     
  15. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    It's more one as a parts donor really.... but could be saved with some effort I guess.
     
  16. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    pick up a couple of them, one with decent heads and you can make one good machine with some spare parts
    Alan
     
  17. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    Theo I have to say that I much prefer the B77 and PR99 machines over the A77 and once the they have a full service they make a very fine machine indeed with an excellent sound quality
    Here is a 4 track machine Ive restored recently and its a great machine




    Alan
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2020
  18. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    It's got decent heads, motors etc etc... The issue is that it appears to have been vandalised by applying way too much force to the rotary controls! All the controls just go round and round with no click stops or end stops..... if you mess about with it for a while you can find the right positions by trial and error and it then does actually play fine so I guess the actual contacts are intact. It's as if some sort of "ball detent" mechanism is missing from them all...
    The case is scruffy it has to be said.
     
  19. topoxforddoc

    topoxforddoc pfm Member

    Buy the best machine you can afford - you could spend a small fortune trying to get a dodgy machine back in good order. 15IPS 2 tr machine prices have gone mental in the last 2-3 years. Personally I would now go for a refurbished Telefunken like a M21 or M15 from Hilpert in Germany. Euro 2300 buys you a restored fully working machine; Hilpert were and still are the German service agents for Telefunken, which were the workhorse in German radio stations.

    http://www.hilpert-audio.de/audio/index_e.php?site=geraete&inhalt=geraete/e_geraete_aeg_m20.htm

    Buy a poor R2R machine with knackered heads, and you could spend £500 plus labour just to get things sorted.

    Charlie
    PS the machine is the cheap bit, if you want to listen to 15 IPS 2 tr "masters"
     
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  20. topoxforddoc

    topoxforddoc pfm Member

    If your treasured 15 IPS tapes get trashed by a machine with worn heads and tape guides, it's akin to taking a worn stylus to a test pressing of a Beatles/Led Zeppelin/Stones album and trashing the LP. If you let the tape guides accumulates crud, they can shave thin slivers off the edge of your tapes, as you FF or REW.
     
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