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Linn Sondek LP12 : Purpose built, or not and to what Spec ?

Discussion in 'audio' started by highfell, Mar 2, 2022.

  1. highfell

    highfell Active Member


    FWIW - the view from Cymbiosis is that using a new base model, they will build a better sounding Linn than the Majik for the same price or cheaper.
     
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  2. Oneandtwo

    Oneandtwo pfm Member

    Agreed - When I said Majik in my post I actually meant a new base model without arm.
     
  3. Amber Audio

    Amber Audio This is the Day

    I enquired what I’d need to add to get a fully working new LP12 based on the £2K deck which would have the Karousel, obvs need tonearm/cart.

    subchassis (majik, kore or keel)​

    power supply (majik, lingo 4 or radikal)​

    motor (comes with lingo 4 or radikal)​

    baseboard (solid or trampolinn)​
     
  4. Paul Mc

    Paul Mc pfm Member

    Do take the Mantra with you to the dem. A lovely deck I'd be happy to take off your hands for £250.
     
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  5. Featsdont

    Featsdont pfm Member

    Gus - you are welcome to demo/borrow my LP12 trampolin/Karousel/Lingo4/project arm and Adikt.

    all set up by our nearest Linn dealer - Robbie at Robert Ritchie!

    John
     
  6. Amber Audio

    Amber Audio This is the Day

    Cheers, fancy a shot of my Technics 1200G?
     
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  7. JezmondTutu

    JezmondTutu pfm Member

    Re a LP12, I would tend to look for a well specced used one. You’ll get more VFM and they do appear here fairly regularly. In fact I think one was advertised in the last few days?
     
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  8. John R

    John R pfm Member

    I think you'll be very impressed with what the Mantra can do should you take it to the demo as Paul Mc suggests.
     
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  9. Mr Pig

    Mr Pig Trade: ^'- -'^

    The problem with using a Majik deck is that the sub-chassis ties you to a Linn arm. And Linn arms are crazy poor value. A Mechanics Kit would be better as it doesn't come with a sub-chassis. Still van expensive way to get an LP12 though but if you want new.
     
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  10. JezmondTutu

    JezmondTutu pfm Member

    Was a good deck in its time but I think Axis level; a well specced LP12 should be a lot better.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2022
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  11. Brennus

    Brennus pfm Member

    I have had the same LP12 since the early eighties. It has had various changes over the years. Power supply, arm, cartridge, subclasses and bearing. The biggest single improvement in performance came from recently fitting the Karousel . To me the obvious way to start is with the base model and get Cymbiosis to build you a LP 12. That way you start with the best foundation - the Karousel bearing.

    The Majik subclasses can be specified to fit Linn, Rega, SME or Naim arms.

    You’ll not go wrong with Cymbiosis.
     
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  12. Beobloke

    Beobloke pfm Member

    I believe there was... ;)
     
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  13. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    As is usual I fundamentally disagree with Mr Pig, Not all upgrades are incremental and make a slight difference, some are step changes and make a huge difference.

    For this reason I'd recommend buying a new deck is actually the best value approach.

    Unless youre an expert the second hand market is fraught with danger. There are very few bargains out there, and lemons abound.

    The most expensive approach is probably selling the LP12 you already have to then purchase an expensive rega deck, to then change your mind and buy another Linn and then sully it with cheap aftermarket 'upgrades'.
     
  14. JezmondTutu

    JezmondTutu pfm Member

    Start with a basic deck and have the fun of upgrades. I only bought mine in 1989!

    Karousel definitely makes a big difference, mine sounds awesome now.
     
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  15. highfell

    highfell Active Member

    Do you mean I will be impressed by how close it sounds compared to a LP12, or that the dealer can add a new tonearm for example and make it sound much better ?
     
  16. highfell

    highfell Active Member

    Yes it is nice. I suspect I will be keeping it though :).

    And because it is a 1980s turntable - it probably resembles a LP12 of the same age, albeit of lower quality, and thus part of my mindset is that I should logically upgrade to the best LP12 that I can afford with some key recent updates in order to have a different sounding turntable with a tighter modern sound, but not losing that Linn magic.
     
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  17. Amber Audio

    Amber Audio This is the Day

    Big thanks to John @Featsdont who just nipped round with his LP12 Majik custom build. Spinning RLJ - ST MoFi now, tweaking the Lux stage a bit, should be a good weekend :)

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  18. torstoi

    torstoi pfm Member

    The Project carbon arms fit..and they are excellent vfm imo.
     
  19. Jason P

    Jason P pfm Member

    I would buy Beobloke's one and be done with it! Excellent value for that deck.
     
  20. rstloup

    rstloup pfm Member

    I got a secondhand LP12 a bit over a year ago at this point. I've been happy with it, but it does have severe limitations which make it expensive to own. I bought mine with an Ittok and a recapped Valhalla + DV 10x5 + Trampolin + new silver tonearm cable, and a few other things. I took it in for service + a rebuild at Accent on Music in Mt Kisco. They were very nice, but were urging me to make a lot of upgrades. Considering the money I had already put into the service + purchasing the deck initially, I would just maybe switch to a more versatile player that could handle easy change of cartridges and maybe my 78s -- like a TD124 or a new Technics 1200G. I've never had either to compare, but if I do end up leaving the LP12, it would be towards consolidating my two separate systems into one. Don't know what type of record collector you are, but would consider this if you are thinking the LP12 would be your final deck.

    I would also add that if you are moving around at all -- or an anxious person -- the whole question of whether the LP12 is tuned and in proper set-up, is also something which can drive you nuts. Best stay off the LP12 threads for that !

    EDIT: Would also add, if you collect any experimental LPs which make you play with the speed of a record, you're out of luck with the Linn.
     
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