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Linn Keel - What's so special?

A CNC mill is precisely the right tool for low number production. If you wanted higher numbers, you'd commission a cast (in this day and age, not that big a deal either, oprices have come down enormously). I supect Linn like the fact that milling is considered an expensive process, it gives the product a credibility it would lack as a cast item.

Anyway, since when did price need to have anything to do with cost? I wouldn't be surprised if the SE parts for the LP12 were deliberately priced so that the whole pakage ends up in a price category where Linn thought there were customers which hadn't considered the LP12 before because it was too cheap.
 
Such outrage expressed here from someone who did more early on to promote the GS sub here on this very forum. Your write up, review and pictures of the thing got me really interested in obtaining one for myself. I must thank you! :cool:

And so it begins......'he wouldn't let it lie'
 
Such outrage expressed here from someone who did more early on to promote the GS sub here on this very forum. Your write up, review and pictures of the thing got me really interested in obtaining one for myself. I must thank you! :cool:
Did Andrew promote the GS?!! I must have missed that one.
 
Hard to believe that Linn couldn't have had the Keel machined to a very high standard here and then subcontracted out to a coatings specialist for final finish...

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Did Andrew promote the GS?!! I must have missed that one.

He actually installed one for a forum member and was quite impressed with it. Like I said a thread was started with pictures and a write up that was very positive. I'll have a look around the forum but I wouldn't be surprised if those threads were deleted or expired. I'll have a look around as I may have saved a picture or two.
 
He actually installed one for a forum member and was quite impressed with it. Like I said a thread was started with pictures and a write up that was very positive. I'll have a look around the forum but I wouldn't be surprised if those threads were deleted or expired. I'll have a look around as I may have saved a picture or two.

Fitted for exbrickie.

I was impressed with it, finish was crap though.

I did it back in the day when one did things like that on pfm.
 
I don't disagree with your points, but I was never going to pay the asking price of the Keel anyway. So, what has Linn lost?

James, I'm not judging the ethics of purchasing a Greenstreet or whether Linn have lost out although the costs of counterfeiting to business are well documented and clearly damaging.

In any event, I'm merely stating there are probably sound economic reasons why Keel is a lot more expensive and ironically, Greenstreet may well be the ones making more money per unit than Linn does!
 
A CNC mill is precisely the right tool for low number production. If you wanted higher numbers, you'd commission a cast (in this day and age, not that big a deal either, oprices have come down enormously). I supect Linn like the fact that milling is considered an expensive process, it gives the product a credibility it would lack as a cast item.

So if they ordered 10,000 units at a time it would cost the same per unit than ordering 100?

Anyway, since when did price need to have anything to do with cost?

Since the 14th century when capitalism started to emerge.

I wouldn't be surprised if the SE parts for the LP12 were deliberately priced so that the whole pakage ends up in a price category where Linn thought there were customers which hadn't considered the LP12 before because it was too cheap.

Ah, that old Linn conspiracy chestnut. They make about a £1mio profit on a turnover of £16mio. Are you seriously suggesting that a 6% return on turnover is a high margin business?
 
OK, so the thread has has now become a marketing tool for those who seek to justify unknowing copies of a Linn product or those seeking absolution for those who have purchased a similar copy. In either instance it is far from the intention of the original question.
 
Fitted for exbrickie.

I was impressed with it, finish was crap though.

I did it back in the day when one did things like that on pfm.

Yes, I don't recall any comments about a crap finish in your review. Those might have come later after you decided to roll your own. :D

I found the seven photos you posted to the original review thread. They all had a strange bluish tint. My favorite was this one.

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When James purchased his Greenstreet, he posted some photos that show more of its true black color.
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If I was still in LP12 land I'd ge a Greenstreet. There is no way there can be an audible difference. I remember in the Mana days getting a scolding for having copies made. Still pleases me today.
 
If I was still in LP12 land I'd ge a Greenstreet. There is no way there can be an audible difference. I remember in the Mana days getting a scolding for having copies made. Still pleases me today.

The Keel for Linn tonearms has the arm collar molded into the armboard where with the GS sub you use the original supplied arm collar. The Keel also has lands around the area where the bearing attaches to the subchassis. Those are a couple differences.

The Keel for Aro, which came later, is more similar to the GS/Aro version because of how the tonearm attaches.
 
The Keel for Aro, which came later, is more similar to the GS/Aro version because of how the tonearm attaches.
I'm not sure Linn makes the Keel for ARO these days. According to their website, only those with Linn arms need apply.

I also seem to recall when I first enquired the local pricing for a genuine ARO Keel that I was told of uncertainty of supply. The last batch had sold out and there was only a probability of a second or third. In any case, I had to wait for an indeterminate amount of time.
 


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