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Lid up or down when playing vinyl ?

Discussion in 'audio' started by Johnny72, May 2, 2022.

  1. LinnMan

    LinnMan Active Member

    Off when playing my LP12 but on and down when not. I also use a cover over the lid as well to keep the dust off completely.
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  2. NickofWimbledon

    NickofWimbledon Well-Known Member

    This is another vote for taking it off when playing records and putting it back when you are not - on LP12 and RP3 anyway.
  3. John R

    John R pfm Member

    Completely off - whether it's my LP12, Rega, Systemdek, Techy or Voyd.
  4. AnilS

    AnilS pfm Member

    I have no choice. Technics SL-J2.

    So down.
  5. Timcat

    Timcat pfm Member

    Rega P10 - cover off, no other option. Technics SL1200G, cover off, if you leave it up and play loudish the cover will vibrate and transmit audible vibrations into the deck.
  6. Mozart

    Mozart Member

    Half-way of course. Lid is also made of special audiophile orientated unobtanium and been frozen in cryogenic fluid like the best audiophile power cables and fuses.

    Some p**s-taking know-it-all-objectivist will be round in a minute to tell me it doesn’t make a difference, which I won’t take to too kindly too and bring out the Victor Meldrew in me.

    Seriously, try it half way. Best compromise.

  7. cj66

    cj66 pfm Member

    With all the chat about an open lid acting as an aerial for sound waves and vibrations, which seemed plausible.
    I tried both up and off, in my home, my kit etc. I could not discern any audible difference so remained a lid up kind of guy.
    It does make a big difference when using the toilet though, I urge you all to use the lid up approach. However, removal may evoke unholy wrath from the lady of the house!
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  8. Nero

    Nero Don’t call me Bud

    I take the lid off completely. It is part of the vinyl ritual. It signifies the start of a musical session which ends in semi-consciousness and a pile of sleeves on the coffee table. And away!
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  9. paulbysea

    paulbysea pfm Member

    Lid down usually due to sharing my home with cats for many years and continued after the last of the cats died.
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  10. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed pfm Member

    This may prevent one becoming unhinged.;) My 5mm oversized bespoke lid has to come off, despite its weight. When I had smaller turntables I found taking the lid off resulted in a much more open sound.
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2022
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  11. Somafunk

    Somafunk pfm Member

    I’ve never owned a record player so I have to ask?, why should the position of the toilet seat lid make a difference?
  12. Helen Bach

    Helen Bach if it ain't Baroque ...

    there is some science behind whether 'up or down'.

    One of the big problems with record reproduction is that the vinyl record is prone to picking up vibrations from the loudspeaker, so proximity to a loudspeaker is important. This source of vibration is often overlooked as evidenced by the myriad of pics of people's systems with the record player right next to one (or both) loudspeakers. Even if bass feedback frequencies don't 'seem' to be a problem, the record will vibrate to some extent, lessening the fidelity of reproduction.

    This points to lid down. BUT, the flimsy acrylic lids on many record players can/will vibrate, and as acrylic has very little damping, those vibrations will be transferred to the rest of the record player, causing smearing of the sound.

    The answer is not simple. Move the record player/s to another room (not possible in most situations). Use a lid fit for purpose, again not possible in most situations. Take remedial action by damping the record, obviously from underneath, but with weight/puck/clamp on top. The platter mat must have significant damping ability, of similar mechanical impedance to the record, but of dis-similar MI to the platter. HTH
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  13. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed pfm Member

    Usually only when playing certain records like 'Waterloo' or 'Loo Seat in the Sky with Diamonds' or by songs sung by Looloo. However, others may poo-poo that scenario as clean round the bend.
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  14. backwell

    backwell pfm Member

    Like many owners, I have to remove the lid from my Well Tempered tt. as it’s not hinged. On my daughters Rega the lid is just lifted when in use. Lids definitely down when tt’s not in use. I have read some manufacturers recommend removal of the lid when in use.
  15. Helen Bach

    Helen Bach if it ain't Baroque ...

    even with 'Loo seat in the sky...' a lid is suggested!

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  16. Seacow

    Seacow pfm Member

    I’m off on the Sony and on clearly on the sl 7
  17. x21

    x21 pfm Member

    I tend to play mine with the lid down. Helps stop dust from falling onto the record.
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  18. yespsb

    yespsb pfm Member

  19. Tim Jones

    Tim Jones pfm Member

    Christ, this is basically what I said four pages ago.

    The answer is perfectly simple. Take the lid off.
  20. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed pfm Member

    A couple of pretty obvious points re. playing with the lid down. Within that enclosed space and due to the rotation of the platter, there is the potential for air current interference and possibly concentrating dust onto the record.

    However, on a practical point, if you have to lower the lid after cueing and lifting at the end, there's far more potential for accidents/dropping etc. This did happen when I had my hinged LP12 back in the 80s, but because I couldn't use the hinges on the Target wall stand I adopted, I simply removed the lid and replaced at end of session. The same procedure was followed for the Xerxes and Orbe which followed.
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2022

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