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Labour to abolish independent schools?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Steven Toy, Oct 31, 2019.

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Should we abolish independent schools in the UK?

  1. Yes

    20 vote(s)
    24.7%
  2. No

    57 vote(s)
    70.4%
  3. Undecided

    4 vote(s)
    4.9%
  1. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    a ) it never stated that.

    b) it only needs winding if you let it run down to nothing when the alarm goes off.

    :rolleyes:
     
  2. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    It also assumes that the clock is set to the winder's time zone. You can set the clock at 8PM, but that would be 3PM on the clock if it were set to US Eastern time*.



    *The UK and US adjust their clocks on different dates, so for a couple of weeks every year the difference isn't five hours.
     
  3. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    mr corbyn will need to be careful of not biting off the hands he needs to feed from. In order to implement his policies he needs tax take, and being draconian and authoritarian, will eventually mean the super-rich, will leave the UK and we will be left with nowhere near the tax take to increase spending on the NHS, Education, Social Welfare.......scare off the people you are going to make money from, and we'll be left where we are currently. It needs subtlety and balance.............
     
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  4. roman

    roman pfm Member

    Maybe this combined with a better run and funded state school sector.
     
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  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Very good point regarding charitable status, I’d not thought about that and would now suggest it be assessed on a case by case basis.
     
  6. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    If the only light in Richmond Park was green then yes.
     
  7. Deej

    Deej pfm Member

    This is one where I'm not with Labour. Yes, there are lot of problems with independent schools, but I've always been in favour of choice in the education system. Parents want the best for their children, and if they have the money to do it, then I don't see why not.
    The hypocrisy in Labour's policy is that many people in their own party support this but went to independent schools, or have children who go to these schools, themselves.
     
  8. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    It is also quite extraordinarily authoritarian. I really don’t want to live anywhere where the state dictates behaviour to that extent. This sort of ‘politics of envy’ stuff really does Labour no favours. I’m all in favour of progressive taxation and serious investment in all aspects of the state, but the government should also support freedom of choice and personal liberty.
     
  9. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    That's a red herring for the apologists, schools for those with special needs can easily retain charitable status. I should say, and I don't know about deaf people, but blind people have been campaigning for integration with the mainstream, and not for separate schools, for many years.

    Once the rich kids have to go to state schools then they'll have to start funding them properly. It's the same as the old argument around grammars and the secondary modern sink schools.
     
  10. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Private schools not only benefit from charitable status but enjoy tax privileges that even the Spectator agrees offers unfair advantage. Other tax advantages, and avoidances here

    Further, the practice of paying to send your kid to a private prep school in order to get them into a Grammar School is unacceptable.

    There are many other financial advantages that could and should be removed, but not sure that an outright ban of private schools is the answer. What should be banned however is politicians who send their kids to private schools saying that class sizes don’t matter when they’re supporting cuts to state school funding.
     
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  11. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    And that is when it gets really messy.

    Charities merely need to be non profit-making to be charities. ( a few more hoops than that but the main point is non-profit )

    I could pay myself £3 million a year in bonus's to mop up any profit that year and thus comply to the non-profit stricture.

    There are nearly 190.000 registered charities in the UK... micro checking the accounts for them all , all the time , is beyond the capabilities of the Charities Commission .
     
  12. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    yes but we know government, this creates a shed load of bureaucracy which frequently ends up costing more to implement, than the savings it was trying to make.....
     
  13. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

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  14. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    Maybe I read a different article - but I could detect no extra tax privileges other than charitable status. What are they?
     
  15. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    And so could Eton under the same rules. You have to have laws that are fair and treat all equally or they will be challenged ( and beaten down ) in the courts.
     
  16. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I wasn't aware that priviledge was a part of the Equality Act.
     
  17. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

  18. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    Jesus... you are so blinkered.

    Eton must comply to all the rules governing charity status and I imagine that it does.

    Your hatred of its perceived privilege has no bearing on that fact. You don't get the right to abolish their charitable status because "you just don't like them "

    And the Equality Act was the wrong one to invoke in this conversation. It is simply the law of the land that Laws apply equally and fairly to all and not "except Eton which I don't like"
     
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  19. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    That doesn't wash I'm afraid, the reason I'm against private schools is because it allows the state schools to be run as a second/third class service - you've obviously very little idea of the problems currently facing the state sector - I bet there aren't any independent schools that have to rely on a cluster of 10 year old computers just for example. We were asked to buy our kid, who started in year 11 in September, a Chromebook. The School also can't do printing of homework question sheets for the kids to write on. Meanwhile the privileged are given tax breaks to send their kids to the independent sector - it matters not if the tax perks apply to the School or to individuals, it's still a tax perk.
     
  20. Bart

    Bart pfm Member

    If a bear appears white then it is white isn’t it ? - taking the frame of reference as mean atmospheric conditions on planet Earth in the daytime.
     

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