Spraggons Den
pfm Member
From the Guardian:
Starmer has rejected this proposal on the grounds that money from the package should go towards helping customers, not compensating shareholders, a party source said. Seems a reasonable stance.
Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII
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From the Guardian:
Starmer has rejected this proposal on the grounds that money from the package should go towards helping customers, not compensating shareholders, a party source said. Seems a reasonable stance.
Seanm
pfm Member
Unless he’s prepared to let the energy providers go bust then compensating shareholders is exactly what he’s going to do: government will be paying what customers are not.
It’s a completely incoherent plan: it just doesn’t fit with Labour’s fiscal framework. either the pledge will have to be dropped or the framework will have to be dropped. Labour don’t have the same permission as the Tories to just push ahead with total bullshit.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
Reinstate the Messiah, get humped at the next GE and then spend the next five years blaming Blair/Mandy and the IQ of the electorate (but at least we stuck to our socialist principles).
Seanm
pfm Member
But it’s Starmer’s lot who are sticking to their principles. De-privatisation is pragmatic and popular, and Labour are tying themselves in knots trying to insist that it isn’t, because they’re ideologically committed to privatisation.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
No, Labour isn’t tying itself in knots, that’s the uncompromising hard left who can’t be arsed to set up a hard left party. It seems clear what Starmer has been saying so what are these knots?
What evidence is there of the popularity for de-privatisation? Yes, it’s popular with people like me ( all essential services should be nationalised ) but I don’t support the tories and they won the last 4 general elections, so I think I’m in a minority, though of course, we know some people could be in favour of de-privatisation but they have other matters as their main priority, so won’t vote for it even if it’s offered. Surely you know this?
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
I wonder who the 3% are who want a privatised police force, and why 10% of people didn't know whether or not the police should be private or public?
I wonder if there's any overlap between that 3% and the 2% of UKIP members who voted Remain...
I wonder if there's any overlap between that 3% and the 2% of UKIP members who voted Remain...
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Very good, but how many of that 53% are in Scotland and won’t vote Labour even if Labour would nationalise energy companies? I know you people find it boring but it is generally accepted it will be difficult if not impossible for Labour to win a UK GE without those 40 seats lost to the nationalists. Different priorities...etc and it can’t be ignored when putting out the result of simple polls.5 years old, but the 53% in favour of nationalising energy companies will likely be even higher today
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
3% for privatising the armed forces makes the mind boggle:
infantry men get a £10 bonus for killing one of the enemy, £20 if it’s a head shot and £50 if the kill is performed exclusively using the bayonet
the RAFs passenger aircraft used in the Southend-Malaga route during the school summer holidays
aircraft carriers used as ferries
infantry men get a £10 bonus for killing one of the enemy, £20 if it’s a head shot and £50 if the kill is performed exclusively using the bayonet
the RAFs passenger aircraft used in the Southend-Malaga route during the school summer holidays
aircraft carriers used as ferries
Seanm
pfm Member
And trumped by a recent Survation poll:
https://twitter.com/survation/status/1559178537248215040?s=21&t=UQvToJUioGK1XdWSLFe2TA
“NEW: Large sample poll for @We_OwnIt finds strong public support for public ownership.
66% support energy being in public sector
69% support water being in public sector
68% support Royal Mail being public sector
4,396 adults, 18+ by online panel, 25 July - 1 Aug 2022”
I know it’s not completely straightforward but really, Labour ought to be able to sell the public a policy they’re already very keen on. The fact is *they don’t want to*. They like privatisation and that’s that.
Seanm
pfm Member
In related news:
https://twitter.com/leftiestats/status/1559208951379628035?s=21&t=UQvToJUioGK1XdWSLFe2TA
“BREAKING: Truss leads Starmer by 4pts in Best PM survey, and polls above 40% for the first time.
Liz Truss 41% (+3)
Keir Starmer 37% (+2)
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Don't know 22% (-4)
Via @RedfieldWilton, 14 August”
https://twitter.com/leftiestats/status/1559208951379628035?s=21&t=UQvToJUioGK1XdWSLFe2TA
“BREAKING: Truss leads Starmer by 4pts in Best PM survey, and polls above 40% for the first time.
Liz Truss 41% (+3)
Keir Starmer 37% (+2)
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Don't know 22% (-4)
Via @RedfieldWilton, 14 August”
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
It’s all the fault of the hard left, or the Scots, or MMT.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
No, it isn't. Did anyone say it was?
However, talking down the party doesn't help.
Feel free to play the daft 'pfm doesn't influence the electorate' card as and when it suits, ignoring the point.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Another tw*tter link unearthed to confirm your opinion and support your agenda.
Some folk here are great examples of everything that is bad about tw*tter.
Who is RedfieldWilton?
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
and Chelski
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
1. 22% don’t knows is quite a lot
2. the Tory voter base is probably around the 35% mark so not surprised it went up a bit once BJ had been jettisoned - a conservative electorate and Labour having to bounce back from the landslide defeat under Corbyn in 2019 remember
droodzilla
pfm Member
I've been highly critical of Starmer in the past but this is excellent:
https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1559941570610315264
At last, an unambiguous commitment to renationalising water, energy, rail and the Royal Mail. As an unexpected bonus, he even commits to abolishing tuition fees.
Well done, Sir Keir! You got there in the end.
https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1559941570610315264
At last, an unambiguous commitment to renationalising water, energy, rail and the Royal Mail. As an unexpected bonus, he even commits to abolishing tuition fees.
Well done, Sir Keir! You got there in the end.