paulfromcamden
Baffled
I'm not sure I agree with all his politics but he seems like a decent enough bloke and is a huge music fan. My guess is he'd be pretty agreeable company for a pint - which is more than you can say of anyone in the cabinet.
Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII
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I'm not sure I agree with all his politics but he seems like a decent enough bloke and is a huge music fan. My guess is he'd be pretty agreeable company for a pint - which is more than you can say of anyone in the cabinet.
droodzilla
pfm Member
This is a key point for me. In a single day Mick Lynch has exposed the vast majority of political discussion on TV for the irrelevant gossip and inane drivel it is. In such an environment, a dose of reality cuts through like a laser.
This is an interesting companion piece to the Piers Morgan clip:
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1539596479928705025
First the "union barons" jibe then the bizarre question, "Do you not think [Mick Lynch] is promoting himself?". This is how these people think about politics: a parlour game in which competitors vie for profile and popularity, and an individual sport. The idea that people could come together to collectively solve their problems is completely alien to these shallow buffoons.
tonerei
pfm Member
Well if you are a Tory party supporter you have to scrape the barrel. They don't have another plan.
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
irons1965
pfm Member
En masse the media are scared witless of Lynch and Dempsey.
They are clearly not used to the kind of straight approach to discussion that these two offer.
The self promotion accusation is frankly, desperation and is further truth of as you say, inane so called media standards.
CTank
pfm Member
Makes you realise the deference these liars are shown in general.
tonerei
pfm Member
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
KS, Drood, Seanm - cover your ears/might want to look away now (from Wiki):
A critic of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, just before Corbyn was elected leader in 2016 for the second time, Johnson told ....The Times: "He is totally incompetent and incapable of being the leader of a political party and he knows it. Corbyn was 'useless' in the EU referendum campaign."
Yikes. And they are supposed to be on the same side (party).
Seanm
pfm Member
That hurts!
Johnson of course was leading Labour’s EU campaign, so it suits him quite well to have Corbyn carry the can for it. From his previous whinges I gather his chief complaint was that Corbyn wouldn’t go along with his master stroke of appearing on stage with all the living past leaders. Because a sure way to win over a disgruntled working class base looking change, any change, was obviously to line Corbyn up with Miliband, Brown, Blair and Kinnock.
Johnson of course was leading Labour’s EU campaign, so it suits him quite well to have Corbyn carry the can for it. From his previous whinges I gather his chief complaint was that Corbyn wouldn’t go along with his master stroke of appearing on stage with all the living past leaders. Because a sure way to win over a disgruntled working class base looking change, any change, was obviously to line Corbyn up with Miliband, Brown, Blair and Kinnock.
droodzilla
pfm Member
Also, IIRC, Alan Johnson wanted to do a racism during the referendum campaign and Corbyn said no.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Instructive that Alan Johnson, while leading Labour’s EU campaign, focused more on attacking the Leader of the Labour Party than promoting Remain. As ever, gaining personal advantage outweighs party political strategy for the Labour right
Tony L
Administrator
I assume Corbyn would have been the only elite public school educated one in that lineup?
Seanm
pfm Member
[Shrugs]
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
I think that the last working-class PM we had was James Callaghan, and the last elected one was Ted Heath.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Ramsay MacDonald was the illegitimate son of a farm labourer who left the Parish school aged 15 and went on to become Labour PM. The party’s first leader, Keir Hardie left school at seven. They’d be turning in their graves at the sh1t show that Westminster has become.
By the time you are in a position to be an MP you are probably no longer middle class.
Alan Johnson is ultimately pretty old school Labour, came up through the movement had quite a tough upbringing. I don’t think he liked the prescription that some middle class lefties had for the working classes. I have some sympathy for this as it can come across as patronising, I was very aware of this as social studies UG. It always seemed to be poshos selling ‘socialist worker’, none of them had been near a factory & they spent their summers ‘travelling’.
The irony is my son’s experience at Uni has probably had more in common with those I would have considered posh back then.
It’s a very complicated business is class, I’ve often turned myself in knots over it.
Alan Johnson is ultimately pretty old school Labour, came up through the movement had quite a tough upbringing. I don’t think he liked the prescription that some middle class lefties had for the working classes. I have some sympathy for this as it can come across as patronising, I was very aware of this as social studies UG. It always seemed to be poshos selling ‘socialist worker’, none of them had been near a factory & they spent their summers ‘travelling’.
The irony is my son’s experience at Uni has probably had more in common with those I would have considered posh back then.
It’s a very complicated business is class, I’ve often turned myself in knots over it.
Keir Starmer’s dad was a tool maker.
droodzilla
pfm Member
I did not know that.