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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer IV

Discussion in 'off topic' started by droodzilla, Apr 24, 2021.

  1. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Don’t read too much into the LD win, it is down to HS2 & proposed relation of planning laws; massive levels of nimbyism. I fail to see how this isn’t a critique of Johnson rather than just another stick to beat SK with.

    As ever some of you on here do a better job than the Tories of destroying Labour. It’s just so easy to be critical. The bloody Labour membership elected Starmer they could have elected one of their useful idiots like Burgon.

    Perhaps Burgon is the future so why not get rid of Starmer & get the messiah in or ask JC to come back?
  2. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Pissy. It *is* easy to be critical, but the people now in charge spent years saying it wasn't just easy to be critical, it was easy to win: give them the ball and they'd be knocking in goal after goal. Now suddenly it's ridiculous to expect any progress because the government is doing such a fantastic job. Well, apparently not everyone is as impressed with the government as, uh, SK.

    I don't really give much of AF really: this is purely a spectator sport for me by this stage. But there's just no way this makes SK look good, and this is an SK thread.
    ks.234 likes this.
  3. doctorf

    doctorf left footed right winger

    Burgon would be a bigger gift to the Tories than Corbyn was.
  4. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Is Burgon standing for the Leadership?
  5. Chops54

    Chops54 pfm Member

    You can say what you like about Tony Blair but he was hungry for power, hungry to lead his party. Starmer feels none of that. To him it’s just another job.
  6. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    John McDonnell for Leader, RLB for Deputy - from an outsider's perspective...
  7. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    One member one vote was introduced to tackle the Union block vote. Would you prefer to go back to the good old days? The Labour membership is essential to the Labour Party, it is they who do all the constituency work. Without them there would be no leaflets, no one to knock on doors.

    If you feel so strongly about the Labour Party, why don’t you get active, get involved and voice your opinions where they’ll be heard. It won’t be heard here on pfm anymore than the voices of those you accuse of destroying the Labour Party. Labour is destroying itself all on it’s own, it doesn’t need any help from pfm.
    kendo likes this.
  8. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    You are just guessing. Starmer is very ambitious, his past career doesn't just happen. He does't appear to have much in the way of charisma, Blair had it in spades.
  9. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    But if it's what the members want? They can then just go back to blaming the media?
  10. Chops54

    Chops54 pfm Member

    Maybe. I agree that he lacks charisma.
  11. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    How do you get to be a QC without ambition? Impossible.
  12. Chops54

    Chops54 pfm Member

    Maybe he’s run out of steam, who knows?
  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Labour’s problem is way larger than the leader. There is a pattern where the party mechanism and internal structure just enforces a mediocrity and ideological blandness, cowardice etc along with a willingness to side with the very worst of society if focus groups suggest there are votes in it. It has certainly been there since Gillian Duffy destroyed Gordon Brown, it was there with Milliband with his xenophobic mugs, it was there with Corbyn and his Brexit cowardice and failure to take a stand against anti-Semitism (be that factional smears or not). It is there with Starmer and all his flags too. All decent enough people as individuals, but presented with an impossible role/catch 22 by their party.

    The whole thing is just totally dysfunctional to my eyes. A third rate am-dram The Thick Of It-themed pantomime where the running gag is there can never be any coherent vision for fear of alienating some internal faction or other. The party is simply not fit for purpose and its continued presence is doing huge, huge damage to UK politics. It actively prevents coherent counter-argument and scrutiny of the worst Tory government in living memory. It is far worse than useless, it actually provides a smokescreen. Remainder-bin failures trying a comeback tour by changing the vocalist very seldom works...
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  14. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    Oh oh. Sir Keir's worst nightmare is about to come true. Survation say...

    Batley & Spen, constituency voting intention:
    CON: 47% (+11)
    LAB: 41% (-2)
    WPGB: 6% (+6)
    LDEM: 3% (-2)

    Bear in mind that Survation had Hartlepool almost bang on and have a recent track record for accuracy that would have see them burned at the stake in the Middle Ages. Certainly I suspect they are using some sort of divination rather than conventional polling.

    Is this the end of Sir Keir?
  15. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    What's WPGB?
  16. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    If what was Jo Cox’s seat is lost to the political Right and if Galloway helps hand the seat to the Tories then it appears all is lost.
  17. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Workers Party Great Britain.
    Seeker_UK likes this.
  18. ciderglider

    ciderglider pfm Member

    Why no Northern Independence Party candidate at Batley and Spen?
  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    W**kers Party GB, led by attention-seeker George Galloway. As ever his Wikipedia page is fascinating reading, especially if you dive into who has financed him over the years. An ego so immense that it looks like he’ll very deliberately and knowingly deny Jo Cox’s sister a win and hand the seat straight to the Tories.
    kendo and Seeker_UK like this.
  20. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Come on: if Labour can’t deal with George Galloway then that’s their problem, frankly. And Jo Cox’s Sister (TM) doesn’t have an automatic right to a seat in parliament, they’re not transferable.
    doctorf and ks.234 like this.

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