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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer III

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The problem is that the Labour leadership team refuses to adopt a position. Pathetic moral cowards, the lot of them.
On the subject of teaching unions and reporting of what they’re asking for, there is a certain amount of misreporting that seems to happen regularly and goes unchallenged. For example, this morning the front page of the BBC website says that ‘teaching unions have called for nationwide closures’, whereas this call has only come from one union, the NEU.

Contra-wise this government often claims it is consulting with teachers, when in fact it is only speaking to Head Teacher Unions and a small number of selected minor teacher unions who represent only small numbers of teachers.

Such a lack of proper reporting allows this government to claim is is consulting with teachers as a whole on the one hand, and condemn them as a whole with the other.

That Starmer has abandoned his pledge to support unions and instead supports this government is moral abdication by Labour and worse, another step to a one party system
Starmer's silence on schools doesn't even make sense in the context of his own "don't frighten the horses" strategy:

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1344278707200995330

Labour should be calling for schools to remain closed anyway but, looking at the level of public support, it's hard to fathom why they are so reticent.
 
That idiot Jane Moore from The Sun was just on Marr being exactly the idiot one would expect. Not even the slightest grasp of this being about a major viral distribution hub and preventing NHS overload, just vacuous popularist bullshit about children not being at high risk. Moronic. Just utterly moronic. That was the starting level for the show, Boris ‘Britain Trump’ Johnson on later...
Nauseatingly hypocritical too. These right ring shits don't give a damn about disadvantaged children.
 
Mmm. I see a degree of hypocrisy at work, parents can have a different attitude to primary over secondary schools.

Apparently little kids & their parents don’t get Covid.

I can’t really work out Starmer on this one, is he worried about the politics if he agrees with the left of the party? Some interesting responses on Twitter to Laura Pidcock’s posts.
 
I can’t really work out Starmer on this one, is he worried about the politics if he agrees with the left of the party? Some interesting responses on Twitter to Laura Pidcock’s posts.

It isn’t a left/right thing, it is a basic science/virology/epidemiology thing. Labour once again prove they are too structurally damaged as an institution to be of any use to anyone.
 
On the subject of teaching unions and reporting of what they’re asking for, there is a certain amount of misreporting that seems to happen regularly and goes unchallenged. For example, this morning the front page of the BBC website says that ‘teaching unions have called for nationwide closures’, whereas this call has only come from one union, the NEU.

Contra-wise this government often claims it is consulting with teachers, when in fact it is only speaking to Head Teacher Unions and a small number of selected minor teacher unions who represent only small numbers of teachers.

Such a lack of proper reporting allows this government to claim is is consulting with teachers as a whole on the one hand, and condemn them as a whole with the other.

That Starmer has abandoned his pledge to support unions and instead supports this government is moral abdication by Labour and worse, another step to a one party system
Yes, I'd forgotten that:

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Are any of Starmer's 10 pledges still standing?
 
I’d like to see those, can you post them?
Here you go: https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1345406798287798273

Mostly supportive. One of the bitterest pills of the 2019 election was seeing Laura lose her seat. Had she survived she would have almost certainly won the deputy leadership of the party and might have balanced Starmer's worst instincts. Instead, Rayner has well and truly sold out.

Anyway, it looks like Starmer might be about to break his silence: https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1345684105279795205
 
On the subject of teaching unions and reporting of what they’re asking for, there is a certain amount of misreporting that seems to happen regularly and goes unchallenged. For example, this morning the front page of the BBC website says that ‘teaching unions have called for nationwide closures’, whereas this call has only come from one union, the NEU.

Contra-wise this government often claims it is consulting with teachers, when in fact it is only speaking to Head Teacher Unions and a small number of selected minor teacher unions who represent only small numbers of teachers.

Such a lack of proper reporting allows this government to claim is is consulting with teachers as a whole on the one hand, and condemn them as a whole with the other.

That Starmer has abandoned his pledge to support unions and instead supports this government is moral abdication by Labour and worse, another step to a one party system
Lack of specialist industrial reporters plus instinctive identification of journalists and editors with management. A bigger problem IMO than party political bias.
 
That idiot Jane Moore from The Sun was just on Marr being exactly the idiot one would expect. Not even the slightest grasp of this being about a major viral distribution hub and preventing NHS overload, just vacuous popularist bullshit about children not being at high risk. Moronic. Just utterly moronic. That was the starting level for the show, Boris ‘Britain Trump’ Johnson on later...
Yes, the ‘schools are safe’ lie seems to be peddled without question. Teacher’s will of course be in the front line when it comes facing the flag from this virus with households and everyone else not far behind.

We are being told lie after lie and this government is being allowed to pretend it’s being reasonable with teachers on the one hand and demonise them on the other while putting everyone at greater risk. And the Labour party is supporting them.

Words fail me.
 
Here you go: https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1345406798287798273

Mostly supportive. One of the bitterest pills of the 2019 election was seeing Laura lose her seat. Had she survived she would have almost certainly won the deputy leadership of the party and might have balanced Starmer's worst instincts. Instead, Rayner has well and truly sold out.

Anyway, it looks like Starmer might be about to break his silence: https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1345684105279795205
Noticeable that the critics of Piddock can’t criticise with anything of substance, just mindless tropes and name calling.

On a positive note it will be good if Starmer does come out and say something today, but even if he does, he’s making himself look like a follower, not a leader
 
Lack of specialist industrial reporters plus instinctive identification of journalists and editors with management. A bigger problem IMO than party political bias.
Yes, tend to agree. A passive kind of apathy at all sorts of levels has got us us to where we are now at least as much as active bias and propaganda
 
I’m a Labour voter and I sympathise with the position Starmer is in. On the one hand he has teaching unions and councillors calling for schools to close now over safety concerns and the spread of the virus, and then on the other he doesn’t want to be painted as “a man in the pocket of the unions” by the Tory press.

What isn’t surprising though is that all the signatures of that letter are from MPs on the Corbyn loving Labour left. We all saw where their leadership led the party in the last election and Starmer is right to be wary. I do find it unbelievable that some unions and councillors are openly celebrating Williamson’s partial u-turn as if it’s wonderful news. It really isn’t as condemning the most deprived children to fall further behind their peers isn’t a Labour policy at all and not one as a Labour person that I will support.

When are the unions going to act in the interests of the children rather than their own?
 
I’m a Labour voter and I sympathise with the position Starmer is in. On the one hand he has teaching unions and councillors calling for schools to close now over safety concerns and the spread of the virus, and then on the other he doesn’t want to be painted as “a man in the pocket of the unions” by the Tory press.

That isn’t it at all. This is a science thing. Nothing more, nothing less. It so happens that at this particular point the teaching unions are acting on scientific advice, the Tory government is ignoring it, and the Labour party are the usual dithering focus group-led integrity-vacuum irrelevance we have come to expect post Gillian Duffy.
 
Worth pointing out that support for school closure is very, very high, and cuts across classes: it’s not just middle class liberals with their live-in nannies.

https://twitter.com/birdyword/status/1345665394095382528?s=21

Deej may be a Labour supporter but his position is both very eccentric and promulgated almost exclusively by right wing nut-jobs - which is of course why we might think it has more support than it actually does: it’s being pushed by the British press, which is now a straightforward public health hazard. Probably what’s bamboozled Keith: the Labour right has long confused the attitudes of billionaire press barons with those of the British working class.
 
That isn’t it at all. This is a science thing. Nothing more, nothing less. It so happens that at this particular point the teaching unions are acting on scientific advice, the Tory government is ignoring it, and the Labour party are the usual dithering focus group-led integrity-vacuum irrelevance we have come to expect post Gillian Duffy.

Yes, it’s what the scientists are advising but then it’s up to the politicians to act on this and make their own decision. Have you stopped to think that the unions are also acting in their own interests and that isn’t necessarily about what’s best for the children? What also about the education and mental health factors at stake here of closing schools? This isn’t all about the need to control the virus at all costs.
 
Yes, it’s what the scientists are advising but then it’s up to the politicians to act on this and make their own decision. Have you stopped to think that the unions are also acting in their own interests and that isn’t necessarily about what’s best for the children? What also about the education and mental health factors at stake here of closing schools? This isn’t all about the need to control the virus at all costs.
Show me a child psychologist, educator or even parent who is arguing that at this point keeping the schools open is the right way to go.

Everyone understands that there is a balance to be struck. What you don’t seem to be able to process is that the health system will collapse if this measure isn’t taken - like, within days or weeks. That is going to have a terrible impact on everyone’s health, including children’s.
 
That idiot Jane Moore from The Sun was just on Marr being exactly the idiot one would expect. Not even the slightest grasp of this being about a major viral distribution hub and preventing NHS overload, just vacuous popularist bullshit about children not being at high risk. Moronic. Just utterly moronic. That was the starting level for the show, Boris ‘Britain Trump’ Johnson on later...

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C.H.A.O.S.
 
Show me a child psychologist, educator or even parent who is arguing that at this point keeping the schools open is the right way to go.

Everyone understands that there is a balance to be struck. What you don’t seem to be able to process is that the health system will collapse if this measure isn’t taken - like, within days or weeks. That is going to have a terrible impact on everyone’s health, including children’s.
Days.
It might already be too late.
Exponential growth's a bastard.
 
I’m a Labour voter and I sympathise with the position Starmer is in. On the one hand he has teaching unions and councillors calling for schools to close now over safety concerns and the spread of the virus, and then on the other he doesn’t want to be painted as “a man in the pocket of the unions” by the Tory press.

What isn’t surprising though is that all the signatures of that letter are from MPs on the Corbyn loving Labour left. We all saw where their leadership led the party in the last election and Starmer is right to be wary. I do find it unbelievable that some unions and councillors are openly celebrating Williamson’s partial u-turn as if it’s wonderful news. It really isn’t as condemning the most deprived children to fall further behind their peers isn’t a Labour policy at all and not one as a Labour person that I will support.

When are the unions going to act in the interests of the children rather than their own?

First of all ‘teaching unions’ have not called for schools to close, ‘a’ teaching union has called for schools to close.

Second, Starmer pledged to stand up for working people, not stand aside for fear of how the Daily Mail might paint him.

Third, the open letter is a call to look at the science, to follow the science, and for this government to publish the science. To paint this in political terms is an attempt to deflect from the science and the principle of open government.

Four, not seen the ‘open celebration’ of Williamson’s u-turn that you allude to, but Williamson is a Tory right winger who is putting lives in danger, and as such, I don’t understand why any Labour voter would wish to sympathise with him or find it unbelievable that he should be criticised.

Five, it is true that the evidence seems to suggest that the most deprived will fall further behind, but anyone genuinely interested in the education of the most deprived would speak up for them regularly and often, not at selective points in time to score a political a point.

Finally, teachers always act in the best interests of children, that’s why they become teachers. A teaching union primary purpose is to represent the best interests of it’s members, and always does so with the best interest of pupils and education to the fore. To suggest they do otherwise is u sustainable.

It is not in the interests of pupils to return to a school where teachers are dropping like flies and they end up being taught by supply teachers or being taught in a situation where several class groups are rolled together and taught by a single teacher, and a teacher who is likely to be a non specialist.

To put the blame for this situation on teachers and teaching unions is a distraction from where the blame should lie, and for the Labour Party and Labour voters to engage with the blame shifting of this government, to perpetuate their lies and distortions and to do the work of this government, is why this situation will continue to be mismanaged
 
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