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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer III

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Seanm, Jan 2, 2021.

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  1. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

  2. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

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  3. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Open letter to the Labour leadership and Shadow Education team on schools re-opening:

    Dear Kate Green, Wes Streeting, Keir Starmer & Angela Rayner,

    The Labour Party was founded and exists to represent working people. Millions of people are now living under Tier 3 or 4 restrictions, in areas where coronavirus cases are either high or very high. We understand that the new strain which has been discovered may be more easily transmissible, but we still do not understand enough about the health impact on different age groups.

    From the start of this crisis, the Government have failed to provide schools with the adequate resources to enable proper physical distancing, so to say they are safe environments is simply not true. It is now widely accepted that the virus is readily transmitted from children to adults. In the absence of mass testing it is impossible to know those children who are healthy from those who are asymptomatic carriers. Parents, children, teaching assistants, teachers, caretakers, lunchtime assistants, and office staff are looking to us, the Labour Party, to speak up for them, and to hold this Government to account and to press them to do the right thing. We support the position of the National Education Union. We want you to do the same.

    Schools should not re-open on the 4th January save for the children of key workers and vulnerable children. This is about the lives and safety of working people, children and the safety of our communities. Nothing should ever come before that. Do the right thing.

    Yours Sincerely,

    Laura Pidcock (Labour NEC)
    Nadia Jama (Labour NEC)
    Mish Rahman (Labour NEC)
    Gemma Bolton (Labour NEC)
    Yasmine Dar (Labour NEC)
    Ellen Morrison (Labour NEC)
    Howard Beckett (Labour NEC)
    Ian Murray (Labour NEC)
    Andi Fox (Labour NEC)
    Len McCluskey (General Secretary, Unite the Union)
    Dave Ward (General Secretary, CWU)
    Matt Wrack (General Secretary, FBU)
    Manuel Cortes (General Secretary, TSSA)
    Sarah Woolley (General Secretary, BFAWU)
    Andy Kerr (Deputy General Secretary, CWU)
    Mick Whelan (General Secretary, ASLEF)
    Ronan Burtenshaw (Editor, Tribune)
    Jamie Driscoll (Mayor, North of Tyne)
    Ian Byrne (MP for West Derby)
    Jon Trickett (MP for Hemsworth)
    Ian Mearns (MP for Gateshead)
    Ian Lavery (MP for Wansbeck)
    Richard Burgon (MP for Leeds East)
    Kate Osborne (MP for Jarrow)
    Claudia Webbe (MP for Leicester East)
    Bell Ribeiro Addy (MP for Streatham)
    Grahame Morris (MP for Easington)
    John McDonnell (MP for Hayes & Harlington)
    Dawn Butler (MP for Brent Central)
    Zarah Sultana (MP for Coventry South)
    Jeremy Corbyn (MP for Islington North)
    Rebecca Long Bailey (MP for Salford & Eccles)
    Apsana Begum (MP for Poplar and Limehouse)
    Nadia Whittome (MP for Nottingham East)
    Mary Kelly Foy (MP for City of Durham)
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  4. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    24 MPs out of 200
  5. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    Labour should be fighting for the moral high ground and re-educating against the whole right wing gammony shtick that the public has been brainwashed into believing rather than giving "dog whistle winks" to the gammon demographic that they are "just enough nationalistic, brexity and xenophobic to be worthy of their vote".

    I know, I know... you have to get into power to make a change.... but how far do you follow policies you know to be morally and intellectually unjustifiable and against the historical principles of the party and the majority of it's MP's and members in order to appeal to "populism"?
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  6. puddlesplasher

    puddlesplasher pfm Member

    Labour was founded to represent the rights of working classes but the problem a lot of people don’t want to admit that they are working class. People seem to want to be middle class. The infighting of Labour with the left doesn’t help. Although the world has moved on since the early days of Labour they need to realise their roots and fight for them but also peoples attitudes have changed and society has changed. The right wing media convince people that Labour just represent the non working people and that is a big reason why they vote for Conservatives.
  7. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    I'm waiting for Starmer to be pictured having a socially distanced pint with Farage in some gammony pub and then giving a statement to the press about how he "obviously disagrees with many of Mr Farages policies but see's some common sense, common ground issues worthy of non partisan discussion in the interests of our great nation...."

    I feel a bit of sick rising....
  8. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    As a Wetherspoons punter are you hoping to take the picture yourself?!
  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Would love to see the reply
  10. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    All of them absolutely right, schools are a petri dish and to deny that because it's inconvenient is beyond reckless. I was interested early on in the idea that school children somehow bucked the trend, but the evidence is that they do not. My sister (teaching assistent) and her family have the virus and it has been an ordeal. Her husband is still not out of the woods. Her school has been decimated (Redbridge).
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  11. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Wow, an open letter.

    This is pure politics, can the Labour Party not just grow up & adopt a position on this? This basically undermines any position that the Labour leadership takes.

    I don’t think schools should open across January & the Labour Party should be stronger in ensuring that the necessary tools for home learning are in place. It is quite difficult for Primary Schools to both stay open for key workers & organise home schooling.

    There is a good chance of strike action over this & I don’t think that will help home schooling either.

    Constant pressure should be applied to that utter fool Education Secretary. Unfortunately the LP is pretty toothless at the moment.
  12. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Very true, the Conservatives are proving better at politics in terms of communication & winning elections. Labour needs to be better, has to have an aspirational element in its messaging as people, perhaps, don’t like to see themselves as poor even when they are.
  13. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    The problem is that the Labour leadership team refuses to adopt a position. Pathetic moral cowards, the lot of them.
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  14. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    It’s worse than passively refusing to take a position, it’s actively abandoning Starmer’s election pledges. Moral cowardice combined with a great big F*ck you to keyworkers being put under enormous pressure and treated with contempt by an incompetent liar of a Secretary of State for Education
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  15. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    I’ve acknowledged that but an open letter is just grandstanding, it will do nothing. There will be people in the LP who want Schools to stay open no matter what. The government is currently being threatened with legal action by a teachers union; I don’t know whether there is political support behind it.
  16. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    To be clear it is Head Teachers who are threatening legal action to force the govt to reveal the data behind the decision to keep some schools open.

    Obvious questions are, why is the govt keeping this data secret? And why isn’t Labour backing the demand for it to be disclosed?
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  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Sadly that is just what they do.
  18. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    It will do a little.
  19. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    On the subject of teaching unions and reporting of what they’re asking for, there is a certain amount of misreporting that seems to happen regularly and goes unchallenged. For example, this morning the front page of the BBC website says that ‘teaching unions have called for nationwide closures’, whereas this call has only come from one union, the NEU.

    Contra-wise this government often claims it is consulting with teachers, when in fact it is only speaking to Head Teacher Unions and a small number of selected minor teacher unions who represent only small numbers of teachers.

    Such a lack of proper reporting allows this government to claim is is consulting with teachers as a whole on the one hand, and condemn them as a whole with the other.

    That Starmer has abandoned his pledge to support unions and instead supports this government is moral abdication by Labour and worse, another step to a one party system
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  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    That idiot Jane Moore from The Sun was just on Marr being exactly the idiot one would expect. Not even the slightest grasp of this being about a major viral distribution hub and preventing NHS overload, just vacuous popularist bullshit about children not being at high risk. Moronic. Just utterly moronic. That was the starting level for the show, Boris ‘Britain Trump’ Johnson on later...
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