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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer II

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droodzilla said:
Funny you should say that. Holly Lynch, the shadow immigration minister quoted above, is one of only 20 or so Labour MPs left in the HoC who voted (against the whip) to assist the bombing in Syria in 2015. I'll never forgive Hilary Benn for his shameful contribution to that debate.

And you're right about Labour generally. I don't think it's a great book but Maya Goodfellow's Hostile Enviroment is a useful history of the immigration debate in the UK, which clearly describes the Labour Party's complicity in (and enthusiasm for) anti-immigrant rhetoric.
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The problem being that it's where a lot of their support is. A big part of Labour's conflict over Brexit.

Do you try to lead them out of it, pander to them? I see the dilemma in terms of delivering more potential Labour voters straight to Johnson on this issue alone. Those nasty centrists are of course more sound on this issue but we don't want their votes - do we?

FWIW I think it's appalling that they are not calling Farage and Johnson out over this obvious distraction and mentioning how little of a problem we helped create we are helping to solve, compared to other countries. But no. You are dealing with an island mentality and a lot of racism, far more than I would ever have thought pre-2016 but there it is. We've seen all sorts of mealy mouthed responses to concocted anti immigration rhetoric on here, sometimes from people who should know better, so it's hardly surprising.
 
When no-one wants to get outraged at your outrage at people getting outraged on Twitter about Sir Keith selling outrage in a grubby outrage porno mag.

Break the cycle Woody! Learn to embrace criticism.
 
Seanm said:
When no-one wants to get outraged at your outrage at people getting outraged on Twitter about Sir Keith selling outrage in a grubby outrage porno mag.

Break the cycle Woody! Learn to embrace criticism.
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It is the simple fact that the minority of Labour voters who read the DM outnumber those that read the Guardian. A small % of a lot is still significant.

I hold no particular torch for Starmer but quite like the idea of a Labour govt.
 
Woodface said:
It is the simple fact that the minority of Labour voters who read the DM outnumber those that read the Guardian. A small % of a lot is still significant.

I hold no particular torch for Starmer but quite like the idea of a Labour govt.
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I still don’t see what you’re angry about! Get off Twitter is my advice.
 
This thread is a joke really, should be renamed ‘Starmer Gripes’.

Starmer has been pretty forceful on the exams fiasco & leaving Williamson in post despite him apparently offering to resign is probably good for Labour politically.

Concentrate on attacking the Tories as opposed to the only credible opposition. Well, that used to be the argument anyway..
 
Have Labour said anything coherent and opposition-like on the Tories dismantlement of PHE and its replacement with something headed up by a failed and thoroughly discredited mobile-phone company party crony? How they came to the conclusion what was needed here was the person who entirely failed to deliver ‘track & trace’ and who’s biggest claim to fame is a massive data breach...
 
Tony L said:
Have Labour said anything coherent and opposition-like on the Tories dismantlement of PHE and its replacement with something headed up by a failed and thoroughly discredited mobile-phone company party crony? How they came to the conclusion what was needed here was the person who entirely failed to deliver ‘track & trace’ and who’s biggest claim to fame is a massive data breach...
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Yes, I heard Starmer more than once on about it on the radio.

I suspect the reason why people wonder "where is Starmer on this?" is that these stories are big enough and have enough critical voices on them that either Labour gets dropped, or is pretty content not to have to be on in the first place. It's better for an Opposition party to have every one else give the Govt a kicking, rather than the traditional "Opposition spokes says X" formula.
 
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Tim Jones said:
Yes, I heard Starmer more than once on about it on the radio.

I suspect the reason why people wonder "where is Starmer on this?" is that these stories are big enough and have enough critical voices on them that either Labour gets dropped, or is pretty content not to have to be on in the first place. It's better for an Opposition to party to have every one else give the Govt a kicking, rather than the traditional "Opposition spokes says X" formula.
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That isn't leadership. Labour's job right now is to ensure that it gains support among this large group of people, otherwise they're at risk from the 'when x, y, or z happened, where were you?'

Starmer's rather like a tinpot dictator, you just don't know whether he's dead or alive - until he's wheeled out on his death bed for show.
 
It’s not difficult though- even the DM and Times are laying in over this lot’s venality and incompetence and they’re only 9 months into their five year term. Everyone was warned about Johnson. Given where he’s finally got to, he’s capable of immense damage to Britain.
 
I can see merits in letting the Tories, and their fair weather friends in the press, do Labour's job for them, but as gavreid points out, it's a risky strategy if it makes the main opposition party effectively invisible. The papers are asking 'Where's Boris?', but they could soon be asking 'Where's Keir'? At the very least, he should be ripping into the cronyism that's ever-more blatant.
 
Leadership also involves knowing when to keep your trap shut - and knowing how to communicate in a more measured, disciplined manner. We had an awful lot of protesting and shouting (not during the referendum mind) for the last four-odd years backed up with unicorn manifestos. We all know what happened next. Starmer needs to build Labour's credibility - how he presents himself is part of that process. Just shouting,' sack someone or other' (something Sky News does a lot btw) is lazy politics (and journalism). I don't think Kier currently has anything to worry about in the MIA department as Boris has that covered off to an absurd degree. You may not agree, of course.
 
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