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Islamophobia rife in the Conservative party

Perhaps I am a feeble minded idiot and lack the perceptive and intellectual skills that some of the more erstwhile and regular posters on this forum have. No doubt someone will be along shortly to inform me that that is just wishful thinking on my part and that I am beyond the pale.

You’re certainly self-referential.
 
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big up seanm
 
Surely 'cat water' which is rather more unpalatable in the context of fine wine...

Not really, because in French the adjective usually comes after the noun. Also, I'm sure that the Tory Party is bristling with islamophobes and antisemites and homophobes and anti-feminists, but why are the Tories not disembowelling themselves while Labour is? Is it a different traditional approach to such issues? Perhaps labour's traditional image of moral purity makes it more vulnerable?
 
Also, I'm sure that the Tory Party is bristling with islamophobes and antisemites and homophobes and anti-feminists, but why are the Tories not disembowelling themselves while Labour is?

The political right tend to be proud of their racism and bigotry, whereas the left are horrified by it.
 
The political right tend to be proud of their racism and bigotry, whereas the left are horrified by it.
Accusations of racism invigorate the right and demoralise the left - that's one reason why Labour's problems are being amplified, while the Tories are so floridly indifferent to statistical proof that they are, unarguably, a party of Islamophobes, pushing outrageously racist policies.

The other objective is to establish an equivalence between the two parties on racism. Again, it doesn't matter if the Tories' racism becomes more apparent than ever in course of establishing this equivalence: what matter is that enough people say "They're both as bad as each other!" and vote Lib Dem or whatever - giving the Tories a majority at the next election.
 
The other objective is to establish an equivalence between the two parties on racism. Again, it doesn't matter if the Tories' racism becomes more apparent than ever in course of establishing this equivalence: what matter is that enough people say "They're both as bad as each other!" and vote Lib Dem or whatever - giving the Tories a majority at the next election.

I really can’t get on board with your tribalism. At present there are four parties on roughly a quarter of the predicted voteshare each (Tory, Farage/Banks, Lib Dem and Labour). As such voting LD is anything but a wasted vote, they stand a very real chance of taking a good number of seats and power away from both of the failed main parties and represent the absolute polar opposite of Farage in a way Labour have consistently failed to. I very much hope so anyway as looking at the pathetic pantomime spectacle of Corbyn vs. Johnson in the HoC last week really nailed home that I want neither of these things.
 
I really can’t get on board with your tribalism. At present there are four parties on roughly a quarter of the predicted voteshare each (Tory, Farage/Banks, Lib Dem and Labour). As such voting LD is anything but a wasted vote, they stand a very real chance of taking a good number of seats and power away from both of the failed main parties and represent the absolute polar opposite of Farage in a way Labour have consistently failed to. I very much hope so anyway as looking at the pathetic pantomime spectacle of Corbyn vs. Johnson in the HoC last week really nailed home that I want neither of these things.
What is this Tribalism you keep talking about. I couldn't give a rat's ass about Labour as a tribe: I joined about 10 minutes ago because they are the only realistic bulwark against the far right and the only possible agents of change. Even if the Lib Dems had any plans to dig us out of the current hole, which they certainly do not, it is still an act of pure self-indulgence to vote for them anywhere but a Tory/LD marginal because of first past the post: the only possible consequence is to give a far right party more seats! I don't care about spectacles in the HoC, Corbyn can get his lad out there for all I care, I want to stop Johnson and his cronies setting what's left of the country on fire!
 
I really can’t get on board with your tribalism. At present there are four parties on roughly a quarter of the predicted voteshare each (Tory, Farage/Banks, Lib Dem and Labour). As such voting LD is anything but a wasted vote, they stand a very real chance of taking a good number of seats and power away from both of the failed main parties and represent the absolute polar opposite of Farage in a way Labour have consistently failed to. I very much hope so anyway as looking at the pathetic pantomime spectacle of Corbyn vs. Johnson in the HoC last week really nailed home that I want neither of these things.

Something analogous (if that's a word) happened in Italy over the past 25 years. The old Communist Party (remember "eurocommunism"?) steadily morphed into non-communist, moderately socialist parties "of the left." But what they never lost is a kind of built-in arrogance that they were, by definition and by divine right, the only major party left of centre. This was their undoing, because they became ever more self-referral, out of touch with public feeling, concerned mostly with hysterical in-fighting for power in The Great Party of the Left, which was steadily shrinking and falling to bits under their bums because of their own myopia and incompetence. And while they were losing voters, from about 40% to 15%, things like Berlusconi, the Northern League and the 5 Star Movement became the major players.

So in the UK I would hope that the Lib Dems emerge as a serious, competent and determined party, as a viable alternative to deranged Etonians and neo-Stalinists. Is there any hope?
 
So in the UK I would hope that the Lib Dems emerge as a serious, competent and determined party, as a viable alternative to deranged Etonians and neo-Stalinists. Is there any hope?
What Labour policies do you take issue with, that you want people to have a viable alternative to?

And do the Lib-Dems offer these alternative policies?

It would be great if you could be specific. Ie, name which exact policies, and highlight any contrast between Labour's and the Lib-Dems, perhaps explaining why you think the Lib-Dem versions are better.

Thanks in advance.
 
What Labour policies do you take issue with, that you want people to have a viable alternative to?

And do the Lib-Dems offer these alternative policies?

It would be great if you could be specific. Ie, name which exact policies, and highlight any contrast between Labour's and the Lib-Dems, perhaps explaining why you think the Lib-Dem versions are better.

Thanks in advance.

Do you intend to put the reply into an essay competition or is it for part of a book you are researching?
 
Do you intend to put the reply into an essay competition or is it for part of a book you are researching?
I'm curious as to Paul's reasoning. I'd genuinely like to know which policies of Labour he thinks the Lib-Dems do better on.
No need for essays. He might say he prefers the Lib-Dem's policies wrt crime, the NHS, tax or whatever, and say why.

A couple of paragraphs at most I should imagine, and we'd get a better understanding of why Paul prefers the Lib-Dems over Labour.
 


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