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Is it time to ostracise China?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Rodrat, Jan 23, 2021.

  1. clifftaylor

    clifftaylor Absolutely retired!

    Business or pleasure?
  2. avole

    avole The wise never post on Internet forums

    What were your thoughts ?
  3. avole

    avole The wise never post on Internet forums

    I asked the question because there seemed an awful lot of unsubstantiated and unmitigated nonsense being written.
  4. clifftaylor

    clifftaylor Absolutely retired!

    a/ Nothing at all?
    b/ Neither thank you.
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  5. mansr

    mansr Objectionist

    Only to Shenzhen. Also Hong Kong and Macau, but they don't really count as China, at least not yet.
  6. Dogberry

    Dogberry pfm Member

    Exactly haven't we shafted ourselves enough.
    Based on the criteria mentioned we'd be left with
  7. clifftaylor

    clifftaylor Absolutely retired!

    China may have odd eating habits, but only 4.5k covid deaths from a population of 1.5 billion is remarkable, to say the least.....
  8. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    I find it amusingly ironic that it was Western capitalistic greed that created the new "workshop of the world" which we now cannot do without! "Let's exploit the poor workers in China who will do it for a bowl of rice a day and make our own entire workforce redundant other than the office and design staff, close down our UK factory, sell the land for housing development AND get our products made for us for half the cost! We'll make a fortune!"

    What could possibly go wrong.....

    The UK built the worlds first successful nuclear power station back in the 50's... Having sold all the "family silver" to the highest bidder we now have to ask China to build us our next one...

    On this issue I'm afraid Labour are just as guilty as tories.
  9. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    Why do Chinese people say “If you want to know what China will be like in the future, look at North Korea”. They wouldn’t be saying that if there was “nothing wrong with China”.

    You are correct about Finland.
  10. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    I've been to maybe 6 or 7 cities in mainland China, about 20 odd visits for business in addition to about 40+ visits to HKG for both Business and pleasure.

    Doing business (my sector - HE) in places like Beijing and Shanghai is little different to other places like KL, Singapore etc. Once you get to more remote cities like Fuzou or Harbin it becomes very different.

    There are rules let's say more loosely followed in Shanghai and Beijing. They are well organised, I preferred doing business in China to India/S Asia but I preferred visiting S Asia. I doubt China will end up like N Korea. No Chinese colleague has ever hinted that anyone thinks like that.

    Go do business in Taiwan, very different again.
  11. avole

    avole The wise never post on Internet forums

    Given my views, I couldn't do business with Taiwan. They're an example of US foreign policy at its worst, which is a pity, because, again, innocent Chinese bear the brunt of unthinking imperialist policy. I mention that because Hong Kong was always a part of China, as was Macau, but they too were removed as part of imperalist policies.

    Anyway, I'm out of this thread.
  12. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    I hope you are right but what a Chinese colleague in China will tell you is very different to what a Chinese colleague outside China will say.
  13. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    And Russia too?

    I predict this not ending well.
  14. tqineil

    tqineil Ubi fides ibi lux et robur

    I used to work in Shanghai 20+years ago, amazing city and interesting folk... was probably spied upon but do remember the first time I landed at Pudong and got a lively taxi-ride to the city centre - lay on the bed, put on the TV and low and behold... Tranmere Rovers were live in a Cup game...marvellous!
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  15. jtrade

    jtrade pfm Member

    Not only remarkable, but truly unbelievable...
  16. jtrade

    jtrade pfm Member

    Totally unrealistic to impose a total trade embargo on China, however much they might deserve it. We are all so interdependent now as a species that the sooner we stop arguing and face the fact that we are in the process of self-extinction, the better. Btw, whilst writing, my current opinion is that the whole pandemic - which I fear is going to get MUCH worse and be followed by more (pandemics) - is Nature's way of dealing with us, the greedy, stupid, selfish & cruel human race... in other words, it might be the only way we end up surviving. There's a lot worse crackpot ideas out there...

    Been to Hong Kong on business circa '89 : quite enjoyed my short stay, but absolutely loved the week in Japan that followed (visiting Mitsubishi Heavy Industries).
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  17. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    Most European countries have had their moments of "glory" during which they brought death, destruction and "civilization" to large swathes of the world. Since WW! and especially WW2 they ceded their place to the US and USSR who brought a lot of bad and occasionally some good to the rest of the world. I expect much the same of China. On balance I trust the Chinese government less than the US government, though clearly the US, particularly the right wing has become rotten in the past 30 years.
  18. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    I have both and both say similar things - it hugely varies from city to city though.
  19. Mynamemynaim

    Mynamemynaim 38yrs a Naim owner

    What we (Britain) has got to get used to is we are now a second class sh*t hole at the mercy of larger powers and we have little clout in the world in reality (and even less since leaving Europe)
    It's time to shut up and stop preaching to other countries we will need as many "friends" as we can muster going forward as we slip further into bankruptcy and obscurity
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2021
  20. Durmbo

    Durmbo not French

    Such hard and painful reading that it makes me weep.

    Let’s not also forget cruelty to humans. Death penalty, organ harvesting, working conditions, Hong Kong, Uighur genocide come to mind.
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