Is it time for all motor vehicles to be fitted with a black box?
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Andrew C!
Been around a while....
Ah yes - the courts can be very 'sympathetic' to that kind of thing... The art is to ensure such drivers are behaving after such leniency has been shown...
Yes, you will know of rather extreme examples of people with well over 12 points still being able to drive. We are too lenient in this regard.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Keeping your license once 12 points have been accrued is unusual. I really wouldn’t worry about it. And usually, the defendant has to show that a ban would severely affect the life of someone else, eg an ageing relative, not just the offender.
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
not apparently, there was a thing on the radio the other night. Get a good enough solicitor and its quite easy to escape a ban
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
That doesn’t mean it isn’t unusual.
You would be surprised, the numbers are quite high. Only takes one irresponsible idiot to take a life.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Two unconnected points.
Do you have data to compare numbers of those who are banned and those who aren’t? I’ve been driving for 39 years, and I can’t recall knowing anyone who has kept their license at 12 points.
You have access to the stats from the magistrates courts? Cool!
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/92095/8800-drivers-uk-roads-12-points
if you have the money, it is apparently quite easy to keep your licence
if you have the money, it is apparently quite easy to keep your licence
According to DVLA there are over 8000 drivers with more than 12 points https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...ers-escape-ban-despite-racking-12-points.html
Isn’t the internet wonderful. But as I don’t know anyone who has escaped a ban then this must all be lies?
Isn’t the internet wonderful. But as I don’t know anyone who has escaped a ban then this must all be lies?
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
This wasn't my sphere of expertise during the latter part of my service. I did investigate police collisions from a discipline perspective, but my other traffic stuff took a side street to community and public order stuff.
However, the courts and leniency is a controversial topic. One persons consideration is another's ridicule.
It’s not an insignificant number.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
That's a really small proportion (0.017%) of the 50M licence holders in the UK. https://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/mobility#a17
Is 1 in 5600 rare?
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
I agree. However I don't know the context on total number of offenders facing a ban for accumulating 12 or more points, who were then actually banned, compared to those that were not.
Irrelevant, 8000 dangerous drivers can do a disproportionate amount of damage.
It’s also 40m full driving licenses & the data doesn’t tell you how many are actually actively driving.
It will be a very small % but it’s still a significant number.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Perhaps there needs to be more jeopardy. If you get to keep your licence despite 12 points, the next endorseable offence while you’re on 12 points gets you a month’s jail time.
Oh God, that makes me sound like Priti Patel.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Provisional licence holders can collect points and be banned.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
At the moment, you get a longer ban if already banned (https://www.gov.uk/driving-disqualifications). That doesn't act as much of a deterrent.