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I was never sorted for E’s and Wizz.

As others are telling their story I might as well chuck mine into the mix.

My first clubbing experience was the Havana club in Derby. As young teens we would go to ‘whities night’ to hear dub on a proper sound system and smoke. This was where I learned the joy of being locked to a groove. My eyes were opened wide.

After moving to San Francisco in the 80’s I helped out with my friend who was working on the lighting rig in in the Ibeam on Haight St. Stuff that went on there opened my eyes wider (those boys!) and introduced me to house, acid and E.

Returning to Bristol it was Vision, The Thekla, Trinity, Easton Community Centre and many free parties down the Feeder. Those were great, the music wasn’t quite where I wanted it to be (too much trance), but the freedom, anarchy and danger was fabulous. It was occupation of a space without consequence in way that would be hard to consider acceptable today. I worked in record shops and with friends we managed to put on some good nights, booking some great DJ’s at knockdown prices. We never made a penny on these nights as we tried to stand against the ‘superclub’ thing that was going on. Break-even was always the target and we often fell short of that. The most we ever charged was £6 entry to see people like Mills, Richie Hawtin, Derrick Carter, Nick Holder, etc. 1996 was a great year but by 1999 we were broke. It was an interesting time trying to oppose the flatulence and glamour that had become clubbing mainstream.

I was fascinated by a communal drug experience expressed through music and dancing and in 1994 did my dissertation on ecstasy and raving, attempting to trace episodes of overt communal and social drug consumption over a history of communication technologies from the telegraph through to the internet. I tried to argue that the collapse of time and spatial boundaries through communication technologies opened a new space into which stepped communal drug consumption as a means of exploring and occupying that space. I’m not sure I would agree with what I wrote today but it got me a good degree.

It’s interesting Jack, that you mention raving at Glastonbury. From my point of view it took Glastonbury an age to get its head around raving and to become comfortable with it as a part of their thing. After the wonderful chaos of the mid 80’s traveller scene (cheers Jez), there was a period of time when it seemed that Glastonbury ravers were seriously frustrated by the lack of embracement of their scene at the event. The raves were in the travellers camps outside the fences, whilst inside you got as you say, the rock/dance fusion of the Mondays. Orbital were good though.

I still love the music and haven’t given up on going out yet as a mid fifty year old. I don’t see the sterility and staleness that some see, and I don’t nostalgically mourn the loss of a glorious raving past. For sure the euphoria of the then new experience of E and raving that came in the 80’s is gone, but it is unreasonable to expect that to last beyond the moment. This is reflected in the music in that much of the cheese has been stripped out (piano lines, big breakdowns etc), and the music has matured (mature cheese?); it is a more serious, darker and understated experience that commands a different knowledge and understanding. What is left is still that thing that calls to the human spirit, of repetitive movement to repetitive music in a communal experience. It still has and always will have that force and power to unify people if put together well. In many ways I prefer it today.

It’s great to hear that Sq225917 was raving in a field just a couple of weeks ago. I too was in a field both playing and dancing this summer and it was fantastic. One of the very best nights I have ever had was in the last year with just 200 or so people in a grubby pop up club. It’s all still out there and who knows may yet experience renewed relevance in a post Brexit Britain. I hope so.

I've really enjoyed the contributions to this thread.

Text needs a tune. If you don’t know it wait for the drop at 3:38.

 
I am far too old too consider it anything but utter dross.

I have however just returned from the Puccini opera festival in Torre del Largo, Italy.

Hmm, what you call classical was the pop music of its day and only the good stuff is remembered/played, if you went back to that time most of the music would be about as palatable as bad cheese gone off.

If you like classical music try this, Brian Transeau is a classically trained musician.

 
RE Whizz and E. I wouldn't know how it has changed. According to my pet dog: Most pills of today assuming legit are typically 240mg which is a scary amount, especially sans tolerance.


New Scientist had some well informed articles around the time that people were reported dying from overheating from MDMA, apparently one of the problems is that it is very difficult to get a consistent dose, drug companies spend a lot of time and effort getting this right. If you mix in pure MDMA powder with a filler you end up with some parts with very high doses and others with very low doses so even with pills from the same batch it’s impossible to tell what the dose will be. Also when club deaths from overheating were reported it was not mentioned that quite often unscrupulous promoters were turning up the heating, turning off the taps and charging silly money for a bottle of water which some people couldn’t afford, dancing energetically would push the core temperature to dangerous sometimes fatal levels, the way the papers reported this lead some people to believe that if they took MDMA they needed to drink a lot of water, if in a normal setting people took MDMA and then drank a lot of water then they risked death through water intoxication, MDMA also has the property of reducing the rate at which fluid was cleared through the kidneys, this was what killed Leah Betts. The way MDMA was reported in the press was negligent to the point it almost certainly was responsible for some deaths.
 
I am grateful to have been of an age to experience clubs like The Hacienda, the Electric Chair, Homoelectric and the Lowlife parties. Dancing has been one of the highlights of my life.

I went to the Homoelectric night that was in Albert Sq as part of the Mcr International Festival in July. A bit disconcerting as it's right next to my workplace. And rammed because it was free!

Started going to clubs in Newcastle in the early eighties. Mr M's at Tiffanys, Rockshots and later The Riverside. My first paying dancefloor was 1982 at a Goth/Futurist night in the back room of Balmbras in the Bigg Market.
http://www.eccentricsleevenotes.com/Newcastle-Clubs(1722660).htm
Came to Mcr in 85 and started out at student nights such as the Poly Bop before graduating to the PSV and the Hac.
 
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New Scientist had some well informed articles around the time that people were reported dying from overheating from MDMA, apparently one of the problems is that it is very difficult to get a consistent dose, drug companies spend a lot of time and effort getting this right. If you mix in pure MDMA powder with a filler you end up with some parts with very high doses and others with very low doses so even with pills from the same batch it’s impossible to tell what the dose will be. Also when club deaths from overheating were reported it was not mentioned that quite often unscrupulous promoters were turning up the heating, turning off the taps and charging silly money for a bottle of water which some people couldn’t afford, dancing energetically would push the core temperature to dangerous sometimes fatal levels, the way the papers reported this lead some people to believe that if they took MDMA they needed to drink a lot of water, if in a normal setting people took MDMA and then drank a lot of water then they risked death through water intoxication, MDMA also has the property of reducing the rate at which fluid was cleared through the kidneys, this was what killed Leah Betts. The way MDMA was reported in the press was negligent to the point it almost certainly was responsible for some deaths.

Thanks Russel I'll read it at some stage assuming it's still out in the public domain. People should be educated before entering clubs. Water should be free or simply £1 a bottle. As for cranking up the heating etc, I've no words for that.

I had a seizure in Ibiza having consumed a "mere" quarter of an E. A very sobering experience I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I was overheating, felt myself slipping away until my vision completely went which led to the seizure, yet I could hear people scream around me. I was taken out the back of Pacha and luckily came round before going into an ambulance and felt ok to go back to my hotel - this became the last E I took.

Unless you've access to lab grade machinery for quantitative yields, the only testing kits available are subjective so as you say, no real indication of purity. I'm not sure what was laced into the E. The MDMA in Berlin was fine, I was almost micro dosing to the point a gram would last me 4 very long nights maybe more. I didn't consume on every occasion as when the music came good I was somehow able to flip my state of mind to the point I felt an amazing eurphoria very similar had I taken MDMA.

Without wanting to divert this thread.... stick it into the realms of legislation. Portugal's stats post decriminalisation of possession < 3g or whatever (I don't actually know) speaks for itself. As does Switzerland's approach with their medical heroin assisted treatment centres: where nobody has overdosed. I believe Canada some areas in the UK, Netherlands and Germany all offer something similar. It's not having the same impact though as it hasn't been rolled out properly AFAIK.
 
I am grateful to have been of an age to experience clubs like The Hacienda, the Electric Chair, Homoelectric and the Lowlife parties. Dancing has been one of the highlights of my life.

I went to the Homoelectric night that was in Albert Sq as part of the Mcr International Festival in July. A bit disconcerting as it's right next to my workplace. And rammed because it was free!

Started going to clubs in Newcastle in the early eighties. Mr M's at Tiffanys, Rockshots and later The Riverside. My first paying dancefloor was 1982 at a Goth/Futurist night in the back room of Balmbras in the Bigg Market.

Came to Mcr in 85 and started out at student nights such as the Poly Bop before graduating to the PSV and the Hac.

The Hacienda, youre lucky to have experienced that! I believe this was the pinnacle for Manchester EDM. I lived there for over seven years and had many great nights out. Didn't catch the Hacienda days. I remember the first season of WHP, it was awesome...alas, several years later, .. the fake tan crew came along and ruined it for those appreciating the work of the DJ and the music played. I stopped going as it wasn't the same.

My best night there was an Osgut Ton night, I remember Shed dropping 'Blue Monday' like it was yesterday mid set out of nowhere. The entire crowd went nuts. Priceless memories.

I was also fortunate to see Raresh play at Joshua Brooks in the basement with maybe 80 people. One of the best sets I have heard. I took a bloke who was clueless about the music but liked a dance.... He told me it was the best night of his life. We didn't talk, every few minutes or so we looked at each other nodding and grinning in appreciation.
 

That’s amazing stuff. What a wonderful set of replies, much better than a Guardian long read. I’m listening to some interesting music and have got a great feel for the genre and scene.

It’s probably hard for you guys to realise how someone on the outside can be so dim and unknowing in this whole area.

Dare I ask where does jungle, garage, dubstep etc. fit in?

.sjb
 
That’s amazing stuff. What a wonderful set of replies, much better than a Guardian long read. I’m listening to some interesting music and have got a great feel for the genre and scene.

It’s probably hard for you guys to realise how someone on the outside can be so dim and unknowing in this whole area.

Dare I ask where does jungle, garage, dubstep etc. fit in?

.sjb

Agreed! A refreshing change from the political side of things which has already been alluded to. Most people on the outside call it repetitive trash without attempting to get any insight.

Re realisation... I was in the same boat until the age of 25/26 when I was asked by my sisters friends to go to the warehouse project in Manchester. It was a cocoon night (Sven Vath) and it started there.

Finding this music had all the hallmarks of when my dad played me Nirvana's nevermind album for the first time. the desire to discover more in a nut shell.

There are much more versed people than me on here to tell you about jungle and garage etc... Im sure someone will chime in soon. Thanks for starting the thread, it has left me reminiscing reading such interesting stories.
 
With the likes of Jeff Mills it goes way beyond that as he creates new music on the fly by mixing up to three records at any given point, constantly bringing parts in and out, building new rhythms and textures etc. Amazing stuff.

Precisely - as I alluded to in my original post, the notion of simply playing records one after the other was completely demolished.

To get insight into many of the themes raised throughout the last few posts - finding music, making music, presenting it, the effect of the crowd, etc - then I do suggest people read the "Art Of DJ'ing" interview with Mills that I included in my first post.
 
I was a bit of an anomaly, bearing in mind my job at the time. I clubbed locally a lot from the 80's onwards. Futurist nights at the Horse and Jockey in Mansfield, thru to Digbys, and sometimes off to Nottingham and Derby.

I have a love for synth and beat driven stuff, so when Venue 44 opened in the early 90's (turned into Renaissance), I was in like a shot. Didn't do drugs - too many family members with a liking for alcohol and smoking put me off, but I loved the vibe. Used to get so very interesting questions from gaffers from work when they saw me queuing to get in said establishments.

Moved further afield, and liked the big clubs. Did Gatecrasher etc, but loved Sasha at Cream. Went to Cream loads, especially if DJ's I liked were on.

This release from Gu is my favourite. I collected most of the early GU and Renaissance compilations. Great for in the car and working out to, as well.

I love the hypnotic beats etc, especially from 7:11 on wards...

 
As a child/teenager of the 80 in Portugal, I always had different musical tastes from the rest of the crowd. Whilst other were listening to Brian Adams, Dire Straits, Bon Jovi, etc, I was more fascinated with electronic sounds.
I remember listening to Kraftwerk (Robots, Numbers), afrika bambaatta, and thinking that it was so cool. Then came break dance, and hip hop so these were my favourite genres.
I started clubbing in 1987 but could not identify myself with the rock/pop music played. I was listening to acid house at home but none of that would play in my local clubs.
So I worked all summer just to buy 2 Technics 1210. I became a bedroom DJ.
I can remember the first electronic beats that I heard in clubs in the early 90s: Snap, KLF, Raze, Nitzer Ebb, M.A.R.R.S.That was the beginning.
One of the first tracks that I can remember that sums up the vibe was this
In 1990 i started going to Raves where they played trance, techno and house. I was hooked. E's followed shortly and they only multiplied by x100 my fascination with electronic music.
The Age of love had arrived
I spent the rest of the 90s clubbing and was fortunate enough to have seen some of the best DJs of the time. These included
Jeff Mills
Sven Vath
Plastikman
Laurent Garnier
Green Velvet
Derrick Carter
Francois Kevorkian
Masters at Work
Deep Dish
DJ Vibe
Tony Humphries
Frankie Knuckles
Todd Terry
Eric Morillo
Moby, and many others
These were the best nights of my life. I cannot put into work the feeling, the vibe of being in a club being blasted with so many facinating sounds that I never heard before. Every night was a journey into the unknown and I was there in front row.
If I could sum up all in one track this would be it:

After 2000 things however became commercialised and the vibe was lost. House became a fashion statement and people were going clubbing more to show off and be seen , than to enjoy music.
The age of love ended for me.
 
...alas, several years later, .. the fake tan crew came along and ruined it for those appreciating the work of the DJ and the music played. I stopped going as it wasn't the same.

My favourite night was always SpeedQueen at The Warehouse in Leeds. It lost that venue and moved to one nearer the city centre. Sadly the vibe was ruined by the large numbers of townie boys stood on the dance floor sucking larger out of bottles and staring down every girl in the place.

I still miss that night...happy daze.
 
It’s interesting Jack, that you mention raving at Glastonbury. From my point of view it took Glastonbury an age to get its head around raving and to become comfortable with it as a part of their thing. After the wonderful chaos of the mid 80’s traveller scene (cheers Jez), there was a period of time when it seemed that Glastonbury ravers were seriously frustrated by the lack of embracement of their scene at the event. The raves were in the travellers camps outside the fences, whilst inside you got as you say, the rock/dance fusion of the Mondays. Orbital were good though.

Completely agree with you. I think it was in 1990, the year the Mondays headlined on Friday night, that thousands of ticketless people broke into the Glastonbury site. Lots of dance tents and sound systems were set up. This was the moment Glastonbury started to reflect what had been going on for some years in the rave and DJ music scene. Walking around the site was a real eye-opener and a right laugh.

It was also the year that the mainstream music press mags like NME, Melody Maker and Sounds, finally realised that people popping chemicals and dancing to DJ music was a major phenomenon.

You'd think the NME would have already sussed this out, but they hadn't. There were only a handful of journalists doing E's and going out to raves. The editorial meetings were a bit of a joke. When a few of us would explain that we'd be bypassing the police to go to an illegal party, where 10,000 people off their trolleys would be dancing to selections from the best DJs in the world, the Editor would say "Mmm, that's interesting. But what we need are the new indie champions, The Green Pees, on the cover and they are doing a gig at the Dog & Duck."

This was the attitude even though the NME had started a dance music section, where we got Andrew Weatherall to write a some articles.

Jack
 
I had a seizure in Ibiza having consumed a "mere" quarter of an E. A very sobering experience I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I was overheating, felt myself slipping away until my vision completely went which led to the seizure, yet I could hear people scream around me. I was taken out the back of Pacha and luckily came round before going into an ambulance and felt ok to go back to my hotel - this became the last E I took.

Blimey sounds like you were lucky.

Jack
 

After 2000 things however became commercialised and the vibe was lost. House became a fashion statement and people were going clubbing more to show off and be seen , than to enjoy music.
The age of love ended for me.

Top tune......though I prefer this ;)

Also agree with your comment re after 2000. Now as I've said if I do venture to a club it's usually a dark dirty Techno night with a dark dirty soundsystem somewhere in Berlin.
 
I was at Glastonbury in 1990.
It wasn't set up for raving . Everything shut early and you had to poke around to find any afters. The raving fire engine was a funny highlight.

And the England vs Belgium match.
 
I was at Glastonbury in 1990.
It wasn't set up for raving . Everything shut early and you had to poke around to find any afters. The raving fire engine was a funny highlight.

And the England vs Belgium match.

True, but there were dance tents erected and sound systems. It was like an alternative scene was going on in parts of the site.

Jack
 
Top tune......though I prefer this ;)

Also agree with your comment re after 2000. Now as I've said if I do venture to a club it's usually a dark dirty Techno night with a dark dirty soundsystem somewhere in Berlin.
Amazing version. The original
 


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