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Her Majesty's Platinum Jubilee Thread

Ginger said:
She’s so irrelevant to me. The very epitome of ‘the establishment.’ Yep, her ‘service’ (she could have stepped away if she’d wanted to) has paid well, a life of luxury with staff running around for everything. Is it ‘hard’ work?

I’m afraid I keep seeing the word ‘indoctrination’ every time I see anything about the royal family.
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My feeling (as an Irishman) is that royalty is an echo of times of former greatness for a country now playing in the second division and possibly facing further relegation, and that this is why so many of the public generally support it.
 
tones said:
My feeling (as an Irishman) is that royalty is an echo of times of former greatness for a country now playing in the second division and possibly facing further relegation, and that this is why so many of the public generally support it.
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I think it has more to do with a human need to worship something. We still live in a world beyond our understanding, and we need something to connect us to the divine, to that which rules over us.
 
Ginger said:
She’s so irrelevant to me. The very epitome of ‘the establishment.’ Yep, her ‘service’ (she could have stepped away if she’d wanted to) has paid well, a life of luxury with staff running around for everything. Is it ‘hard’ work?

I’m afraid I keep seeing the word ‘indoctrination’ every time I see anything about the royal family.
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Exactly. Never done a genuine day's work really...why she's lived so long.
 
Is she giving Andy centre stage,it's only weeks since
the "palace"were putting out statements supporting him.
If you want a polemic on the monarchy read Hazlitt.
 
45 years ago on the Silver Jubilee, I seem to recall being rather bored with the whole thing and listening to my newly aquired punk records. 45 years on, I dont think anything will change that much, just different music (maybe).
 
I just dislike the whole manipulative pantomime. A Conservative Party political broadcast which we are all expected to take part in. Yes I know I can ignore it but it will be all over the media, there will be flags in the streets, ‘royal promotions’ in every pub, shop and village. It reinforces the values that maintain inequality, and privilege. I find the whole thing sickening.
 
flatpopely said:
Why do you think she’s never done a days work? Do you know what she does on a day to day basis?
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No doubt she does does work, but the question remains as to why that work is deemed to be a some sort of selfless devotion worthy of worship, rather than what is actually is, an extraordinarily well paid job with no entry qualifications and a vast array of fringe benefits given to a long line of hangers on who make no contribution to this country, and in some cases are gun dealers, Nazi sympathisers, racists and, allegedly, paedophiles who regardless of their obvious flaws still have their extraordinary social and economic advantages as a matter of birthright

However, the bigger problem is symbolic and democratic rather than economic and moral. A monarchy is a symbol of unconditional worship of worth based on divine right, hereditary and hierarchy which is at odds with a democratic principle of worth based on merit serving the ends of human rights and human equality
 
Nic Robinson said:
Exactly. Never done a genuine day's work really.
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flatpopely said:
Why do you think she’s never done a days work? Do you know what she does on a day to day basis?
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Well Andrew, I'm sure she's put the hours in sitting in her Rolls, private jets and helicopters, cutting ribbons, attending to matters of state (albeit with no influence upon them) etc. But it's what most women I know do that she doesn't. The list might include: shopping for food, clothing etc., cooking, washing, ironing, making a brew and washing it up, dealing with tradespeople, bringing up the kids, the school run, getting the car's MOT done, making ends meet etc (that's just off the top of my head). I'm sure she wipes her own bum, so I'll grant you that.

That's before we mention every single person she has encountered in 70 years bowing/curtseying, laughing at her jokes, never contradicting her blah blah.

It's a strange world for sure. And not one I would personally wish to inhabit - but then I'd have to shoot myself, wouldn't I? Anachronistic, absurd, feudal and irrelevant. And, crucially perpetuating the deference we seem to have in our national DNA to unearned wealth and undeserved status.
 
I like living in a Monarchy. Others would rather shoot the monarchy and throw them down a well. Luckily I live in a monarchy where all views are allowed.
 
flatpopely said:
I like living in a Monarchy. Others would rather shoot the monarchy and throw them down a well. Luckily I live in a monarchy where all views are allowed.
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You say ‘all views are allowed’, but in the same paragraph you characterise anyone who disagrees with your view as someone intent on murder and well pollution, which does rather echo the flawed monarchist view of freedom of speech and equality of opportunity
 
flatpopely said:
I like living in a Monarchy. Others would rather shoot the monarchy and throw them down a well. Luckily I live in a monarchy where all views are allowed.
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You are clearly restricting our throwing them down a well. I’m open to compromise, e.g. let Brenda see out her time, then the well for the rest of them. Can we start with the pedophile?
 
I don't 'dislike' the Monarchy and I don't want anyone shot and thrown down a well. I would like to live somewhere that isn't imbued in structural institutional inequality. The Monarchy and all it's symbols is a deeply insidious political institution and it wouldn't surprise me if the 'Royal family themselves don't fully realise that. However Mogg, Johnson, Cameron et al are very aware of the power it lends them.
 
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