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are you denying that jazz is black dance music?

No, just the absurd notion it ended just after WW2 – a huge number of the real high-points were in the 50s and 60s (and some would argue the 70s and beyond). Your cut-off point removes the entire Blue Note, Riverside, Prestige, Impulse, Atlantic, Verve etc catalogue from the equation which IMO shows a frankly staggering ignorance of the genre. I’d get out and listen more - you clearly have much amazing music to discover!

Tony.
 
I was in Seattle about this time last year inspecting a fish processing plant. (I know, I get all the good jobs!) We stayed on the waterside at that big swanky hotel that looks across Puget Sound (nice!) and one evening I slid out to a blues bar in a dark bit of town one street back from Pike Street Market (I think). The band was *OK* without being great, but there seemed to be a fair bit going on. The other end of the town (towards the stadium, what's the name of the square?) had a bar with a jazz quartet type band, free entry, not really my scene but it was good to see.
 
Pioneer Square. There's at least one first-class jazz joint in Seattle that I know of (used to be anyway): Dimitriou's Jazz Alley. Saw a few mighty fine shows there. Looking over their upcoming schedule, though, I admit I don't see much that trips my trigger.

The best place I knew of to hear grunge music (RCKNDY) is gone... looks like the Crocodile Cafe has closed, too. Ahh, memories.
 
Just played Husker Du - Land Speed Record. Probably not grunge. Just crazily fast punk. Makes The Ramones sound like Yes.

Cheers

Rich
 
Quit fair to consider the Melvins a strong formative grunge influence

Yes, I said that but it doesn't make them a grunge band. There's meant to be a John Zorn (possibly Naked City) 'tribute' to the Melvins style but I don't think it has been released. I'd like to hear it.
 
I cant see any 'grunge' in that Husker Du- sounds just independent/hardcore ish to me, but I'm no fan at all though.
 
Pioneer Square. There's at least one first-class jazz joint in Seattle that I know of (used to be anyway): Dimitriou's Jazz Alley. Saw a few mighty fine shows there. Looking over their upcoming schedule, though, I admit I don't see much that trips my trigger.

The best place I knew of to hear grunge music (RCKNDY) is gone... looks like the Crocodile Cafe has closed, too. Ahh, memories.

yes the Croc is the latest casualty and a true shame


Jazz Alley does have some really good shows, but mingled in between 5 night Kenny G stands. Even in the 80's, there was great jazz to be found on almost any given night in NYC.
 
jazz died shortly after WWII and finally came back as house music...


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I cant see any 'grunge' in that Husker Du- sounds just independent/hardcore ish to me, but I'm no fan at all though.

Without Husker Du grunge would possibly not have sounded as it did. They wre clearly a huge influence of early Nirvana. IMO Celebrated Summer is a piece of sublime beauty but some other thinsg on Zen Arcade or Warehouse: Songs and Stories are closer to the grunge template.

And there is no excuse for not being a fan. Get a copy of:
New Day Rising -
Zen Arcade
Warehouse

and download (if you can)
Love Is All Around -their take on the theme from the Mary Tyler Moore show

Maybe they didn't have the heavy metal /slacker thing going but there is a lot to love here.

And a shout for the movie Singles which had a great grungy soundtrack:
1. Alice In Chains
2. Breath - Pearl Jam
3. Seasons - Chris Cornell
4. Dyslexic Heart - Paul Westerberg
5. Battle Of Evermore - The Lovemongers
6. Chloe Dancer / Crown Of Thorns - Mother Love Bone
7. Birth Ritual - Soundgarden
8. State Of Love And Trust - Pearl Jam
9. Overblown - Mudhoney
10. Waiting For Somebody - Paul Westerberg
11. May This Be Love - Jimi Hendrix
12. Nearly Lost You - Screaming Trees
13. Drown - Smashing Pumpkins

Now , where did I put that plaid shirt?

Kevin
 
bec.

jazz died shortly after WWI and finally came back as house music, first as a twisted, popular manifestation in disco and then more accurately as the real thing in the following 2 decades, inspiring all sorts of electronic/DJ offshoots along the way. the most interesting and influential stuff is based in Germany.

vuk.

EFA

DS
 


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