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Grenfell: inquest or public inquiry?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Seanm, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    That's a clearly untrue statement that does nothing to elucidate the situation. We all know that many/most plastics are flammable, we all know that they are less so than petrol. A very simple test will prove this, disprove the assertion and cast doubt on the reliability of everything else they say.
  2. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

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  3. mikemusic

    mikemusic pfm Member

    A few charges of Corporate Manslaughter would help here
    Fat chance
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  4. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    Why would I be envious? Or have any hatred?

    Tell me that.
  5. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    We've been here so many times.

    The simple truth is that it is considerably less expensive to take care of the mass media than it is to do the same for the general populace.

    We elect primarily career minded politicians whose main goal it to retain their day job. The most cost effective way of achieving that is through managing the press.
  6. Alex S

    Alex S carbon based lifeform

    Actually, there's more chance of a match going out than the barrel going up. Pop round with mescalito and I'll happily demonstrate.
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  7. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    The inquiry has no power to do that.
  8. peter bj

    peter bj pfm Member

    Think it will be the usual , state the blinking obvious ,vaguely apportion blame , nothing new happens that has already been agreed . Ido hope they do really get stuck into those that managed the refurb bodge job
  9. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger

    Fundamentally untrue, as Stevec67 notes above.

    The key thing - having read the BRE test reports as they came in late last year - is that the ACP core material energy content is comparable with ~ 4l of diesel /m^2. At the temps it was exposed to, it effectively became a liquid-fuelled fire; a key factor in the rate of fire spread.

    Utterly dreadful - but not at all what is quoted of that lawyer.
  10. SteveT

    SteveT Guest

    Some years ago (the exact details are a little sketchy) someone was killed at an unmanned crossing I think in Suffolk. At the inquest the Coroner made several recommendations one being to prevent such a tragedy from taking place again by taking on board safety measures. British Rail did nothing. Approximately 7 or 8 years later a similar tragedy occurred at the same place and the HSE fined British Rail millions of pounds for their failure to implement the recommendations of the Coroners Report and allowing such a tragedy to be repeated. Coroners do have some clout and ignoring their findings does make you culpable should similar events take place again.
  11. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    This is not an inquest, so no Coroner.
  12. Enfield boy

    Enfield boy pfm Member

    HMG were very keen to avoid an inquest.
  13. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    HMG have no say in whether an inquest takes place; that is for the Coroner to decide. 71 inquests were opened into the Grenfell victims but were adjourned pending the outcome of the Inquiry.
  14. Enfield boy

    Enfield boy pfm Member

    Sorry, you’re right, to be more correct the concerns are that the inquests will be delayed for years (as in Lakanal) and the terms of reference of the inquiry are too narrow.
  15. slavedata

    slavedata pfm Member

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  16. mikemusic

    mikemusic pfm Member

    We have Cellotex in our place.
    Behind plasterboard if that makes a difference
  17. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    It's appalling. The contractors are busy blaming each other for the tragedy. The Kensington & Chelsea Tenant Management Organization (TMO) agreed to the cladding to save money. The TMO looks after over 10,000 properties for Kensington & Chelsea Council. I live in the area and many people are really angry about the situation.

    "The inquiry also heard how, in 2014, the combustible cladding panels made by Arconic, which contained a flammable polyethylene core, were chosen as part of an attempt to cut £454,000 from the budget by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenants’ Management organisation," according to The Guardian.

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  18. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    It would be worth investigating, I guess. A friend of mine lives in a posh block in Greenwich, which had cladding. The leaseholders have had a legal battle I believe to get the contractors to strip it off. I think it has now been done but will ask next time I see him.

  19. PhilofCas

    PhilofCas pfm Member

    Your plasterboard could be fire rated.
  20. mikemusic

    mikemusic pfm Member

    Ah yes. I'm pretty sure it must be. Not the evangelist for Cellotex type materials I was though
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