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Grenfell: inquest or public inquiry?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Seanm, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    And what precisely has the Duke of Westminster to do with that?
    I could equally accuse you of the typical left wing hatred and envy of the wealthy.

    Chris
     
  2. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    Misses the effing point as per.
     
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  3. Still

    Still he said his naim was ralph

    And raises many more questions about excellent education.
     
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  4. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Chris is correct here. Why should anyone spend money on a situation they are not culpable for?

    Of those who think the Duke of Westminster should put his hand in his pocket I ask how much have you contributed to the Grenfell appeal?
     
  5. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    I dont think the call for the DOW to foot the bill was a serious one-only a stupid person would take it seriously surely?
     
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  6. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    Ad Hom, Still? Surely not!

    Chris
     
  7. Still

    Still he said his naim was ralph

    To those who ask how much have you contributed to the Grenfell appeal.
    It appears you've also missed the effing point.

    It seems the excellently educated don't understand what ad hom' is.

    Anyway, your contributions here are remarkably reminiscent to KT Hopkins on twitter.
    Numerous posts asserting sociopathic concepts and sentiments, followed by a desperate attempt to curry sympathy.
    Would you consider a career on infowars?
     
  8. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Misses the effing point? as you so eloquently said.

    Well, were you serious or are you just trying to save face now?
     
  9. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    Haha I didn’t suggest it.
     
  10. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

  11. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    Seeing families of the deceased explain at the inquiry how they spoke to relatives inside Grenfell, as it was being engulfed in flames, was so moving in the last couple of weeks.

    Now the inquiry is considering evidence about what went wrong, why it happened, and who is responsible for it. The obvious contenders are in deliberate denial or staying schtum. They include Arconic, who supplied the cladding, the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea who ordered the refurbishment, and corporations who are keeping silent.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...says-panels-did-not-make-fire-inevitable.html
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44368082

    "Despite their words of condolence to the victims, these corporates have no desire to assist this inquiry even though [it] could save lives in the immediate future," said Stephanie Barwise. She is representing some of the survivors.

    "The corporate silence deprives the families of the degree of resolution and understanding to which they are entitled and has only served to increase their pain and uncertainty."

    QC Imran Khan says the inquiry as it is set up will fail to consider institutional racism. He thnks its terms of reference should be extended to take in race, religion and social class. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...rvivors-opening-statements-begin-live-updates

    Jack
     
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  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Given how articulate and prophetic the Residents Association were in highlighting the issues in advance anything that doesn’t pin this firmly on the Kensington Tory council who ignored them can only be considered a whitewash IMHO.
     
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  13. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Why bother with an enquiry if everyone knows who is to blame. How often has pfm done this same thing and been wrong or disappointed?
     
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I don’t recall pfm ever running a public enquiry.
     
  15. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    It doesn't but this post and many of others I've seen reflect badly on your character.
     
  16. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

    I think the real point many would make is the following. Cameron's "bonfire of regulations"; was seen as a green light to every two bit chiseller and cost cutter to circumvent regulations for fiscal reasons and worry about the consequences should anything untoward occur. Even then, given the government's laissez faire attitude towards regulatory rules when it's their friends involved, it was seen as in effect, "a nod and a wink"; don't worry you won't be held responsible for deliberately flouting regulations and putting people's lives at risk.

    Then there's the abject hypocrisy with which regulations are enforced. You're a long established venue, you break the noise regulations in some minor way and some property developer or some influx of "nimbies" have invaded the area, you're toast. You cause the deaths of dozens of people by your fiscal gerrymandering, you're fine.
     
  17. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    It was before your time.
     
  18. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Your spellchecker seems to have substituted 'badly' for 'accurately'
     
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  19. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    What are you sayin’? D’you mean back in the day? Long John Baldry, smokeless coal type o’ thing?
     
  20. Mescalito

    Mescalito pfm Member

    And I have no problem with that at all.
    You exhibit a fine example of the politics of envy and hatred so prevalent on the left.

    Chris
     

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