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Graduate Employment

Discussion in 'off topic' started by auric, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Who's a troll? You say there are no jobs, I can prove there are, from my own experience, in certain parts of the UK, certain jobs, all levels. That's a fact. Mull's daughter is in demand, that's a fact. Mull's report above says "doctors and dentists are less likely to experience unemployment". That's a fact.

    As for me me me, I'm quoting from my first hand experience, today. Just because it disagrees with you, I'm a troll? Yeah, right.

    Finally, "plenty of jobs if you have the right skills and you get on your bike" Yes indeed there are, and there always have been, in one job area or another. It's the "right skills" bit that shifts. If you are an Arabic interpreter, do you think the Foreign Office want you? You bet. 20 years ago it was Russian. 30 years ago it was coal and steel, not much of that left now.

    So "plenty of jobs if you have the skills people want", well, obviously, yes. This doesn't help those with no skills who won't travel, but this was the case 20, 30, 40 years ago. The only time in recent years there were jobs for all was about 1945-1950, and we know why that was.

    We're still hiring, BTW. That's a fact too. CVs to the usual address. Shaping up to need a few sample technicians too, that's a non graduate job but plenty of scope to advance if a graduate wants some life experience to get their foot in the door.
     
  2. James

    James Lord of the Erg\o/s

    It's a global market, folks. Unless you have deep roots, you'll find plenty of opportunities off shore if you have skills that are in demand.
     
  3. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Wasting your time Ste. He knows everything.

    Mull
     
  4. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    OK.
    I too wonder why you 'take on' these subjects, because you clearly have no clue WTF you are on about.

    Do you actually know anyone with a degree? Or even a GCSE?

    If you actually read the survey I quoted, rather than just churning out your uninformed rubbish, you would understand that the grad job situation is a little more complex than your moronic assertion that 'media studies is crap'.
    You would also understand that at no point did I say 'every course is worthwhile'.

    If you aren't even capable of extracting the salient points of a research summary, you certainly aren't sufficiently clued up to pontificate here.

    Given your utter inability to engage in serious informed discussion, I'm out.
    Argue with yourself.
    You'll probably still lose.
     
  5. Greg

    Greg 2t5b

    kind of missing the point.
     
  6. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    I don't think that 40% of the population are capable of working at degree level.
     
  7. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    I think that you have a point there Colin. Graduates are by definition exceptional. Now I'm prepared to believe that there are different types of intelligence, just as I believe that there aren't many that can match me on numerical reasoning, and I have proved this (hey, shoot me, I'm a scientist) I am sure there are people better at emotional intelligence. Salesmen are very good at this. Nevertheless excepional is exceptional. I don't care who you are, whatever you do there aren't 40% who are exceptional, by definition. 1% may be exceptional sportsmen, 1% exceptional scientists, mathematicians, linguists, etc, but this doesn't add up to 40%.
     
  8. dynodebs

    dynodebs /°\

    Academics fight back. 65 bright minds bending to the same problem might just help.

    I've been dismayed by posters on pfm who think that the purpose of a degree is to get a job. Why? I know the world's a harsh place, but if you're not going to get a job even with a degree, why not do a degree for the love of it? I don't understand why we are charging people to study, especially when we talk of six or seven years for some disciplines.

    This is the future of the country - why not let the top 20% study for free? From that we might just get the next Industrial Revolution.

    Debs
     
  9. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Not so sure about this Steve.
    Who says that Grads are 'by definition exceptional'?
    Then, who defines 'exceptional'?

    I'm a Grad but I don't claim to be 'exceptional'. I just did enough to get my degree, which was in Politics, much of which I have long since forgotten.

    Part, at least, of the reason for the increase in Grads, is down to the increase in the demand for Grads. This may seem an odd statement in the current climate. However, in the last 30 or so years to my knowledge, numerous professions which formerly demanded a Certificate or a Diploma for qualification, became 'all Grad'. (IIR, Social Work, Radiography, Podiatry, Pharmacy and loads of others.) This is a completely different phenomenon to the '50% grad' target under Bliar.
    Now that demand is slipping again as Govt. busies itself de-skilling much of the public sector and sacking the rest, but my point remains valid.
    Mull
     
  10. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Excellent stuff!

    Mull
     
  11. zener

    zener fluff

    Everything is made in China , do you check this first before buying a product , I do , I have very little made in China in my house , the exception being the crap , but my wife buys that. Do you not think this maybe the reason for the "lack of jobs" or are members of this forum unable to face themselves , you lot are really so blinkered its , well it isnt , you are all thick.:D
     
  12. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Genius.... Pure Genius.
     
  13. zener

    zener fluff

    How much chinese stuff do you own , thats where the problem lies ..you are thick to be unable to understand a simple fact ...our manufacturing industry is declining ...whence why there are no jobs . The public sector has to follow suit as tax revenues become lower , this country is facked.
     
  14. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Whatever...
    I'd suggest laying off the Chinese Lager........
     
  15. zener

    zener fluff

    What is about our declining manufacturing out put that makes you conclude I'm on chinese lager . Cheap labour and cheap resources is where its at , china is funding certain African countries that have the resources they dont have , they are also restricting supply to the world of the resources they have , and they are significant ,Tantalum being one. What has the UK got to offer that the Chinese cant buy ...fack all ... you are a looser , living in the past and have nothing to offer to the present , so go away ..please , unless you have something revolutionary that can get this country out of its decline
     
  16. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Have something revolutionary to save us? I do. I sell my expertise in food manufacturing. I improve wastage, reduce errors and throwaways, automate things and improve efficiencies. There is a massive amount of work to do. That's something the UK has been good at for generations. China make things because they throw vast amounts of cheap labour at the problem, it's a crude soluion. Modern UK food manufacture is smarter. As for something we manufacture, see above. Nobody is shipping pork pies from China. Given the adulteration scandals there, nobody trusts them to make any food. Have a guess why your chocolate bars are still made in the UK/Europe. Because we are good at it and we can be trusted. Same goes for other stuff. Even specialist metal bashing, look up Swann-Morton (surgical blades) for proof.

    Mull, re grads and exceptional, I mean that if you study a degree it's by definitio, advanced study and it should have enough content to mean that if you aren't exceptional you won't cope with the content. I know mine was, I read Biochemistry and it was bloody hard. By the end we were on bleeding edge research findings in DNA manipulations and it was making my mind bleed.
     
  17. Darth Vader

    Darth Vader From the Dark Side

    Arrrrgh! Cornforth and Popjack have just jumped back into my head starting with rat liver mince.........

    I think when I took my Chemi degree (early 60s) it was the top 3 or 6%(can't remember) that went to Uni and we got a grant.

    Cheers,

    DV
     
  18. auric

    auric pfm Member

    We may well need degree holders who hold a lot of knowledge about one area but more than that we need a whole raft or polymaths to sit above these silos of knowledge so as to draw together these separated strands of knowledge that will then herald the next Renaissance.
     
  19. Paul R

    Paul R pfm Member

    This is surely more or less how it used to be. But the last two governments (particulary the last one) have set a policy of increasing numbers in higher education. Your proposal invites instant 'elitism' jibes and is politically tricky.

    Paul
     
  20. sergeauckland

    sergeauckland pfm Member

    Politically tricky perhaps,but pretty sensible. I don't see a problem with Elitism, another way of saying it is encouraging the best. Perhaps 20% is too wide an elite, but I don't see any problem with a competitive system whereby the top X percent (say 5-10%) get a Scholarship to pay the fees.

    S.
     

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