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Goldring 800 cartridge

Discussion in 'classic' started by kevinrt, Mar 16, 2023.

  1. kevinrt

    kevinrt pfm Member

    I recently received a Goldring 800 cartridge included along with a 3009 tonearm (non improved) which I bought. It came with a stylus which still has a tip on it.

    Does anyone know anything about this cartridge? I think it may be a similar age to the tonearm.

    I don’t expect it to be excellent but may give it a try out of interest.


  2. narabdela

    narabdela who?

  3. Beobloke

    Beobloke pfm Member

    It's a perfectly competent budget cartridge from the 1970s and certainly turns in a decent enough performance. Something like a modern AT-VM95E should put it in its place, however.

    As an aside, some people will try and tell you that it can be upgraded with a spanky new posh stylus and will then outperform high end moving coils but, as I suspect these people are the same ones that think a Rega RB250 can be tweaked to out-perform an SME V, they are best ignored.
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  4. wd40addict

    wd40addict pfm Member

    I wouldn't say it's anything special and its frequency response varied with room temperature! (this was picked up in the reviews of the time)

    I mainly used mine for 78s, but an AT95E with 78 stylus was better and the AT-MONO3/SP better still!
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  5. cobbers

    cobbers pfm Member

    Used to run a G800 or G850 on my Garrard SP25 in the early 70's
  6. DGP

    DGP pfm Member

    If I remember correctly there is a little section of bar magnet above the removable stylus on the G800 - there's a real fashion for re-magnetising Triang and Hornby motor magnets of this age - wonder if anyone considered doing it for vintage MM carts? DGP
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Interesting, that would imply it is a moving iron design, not moving magnet, i.e. similar to a Nagaoka or Grado.
  8. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

    Yes, moving iron, induced magnet, take your pick. With benefit of hindsight, makes the 2000 series seem a bit ironic.

  9. rhgbristol

    rhgbristol pfm Member

    Yes - definitely a budget but quite competent cartridge, very popular back in the early 1970s - most came to market in either a Garrard SP25 mk2/3 or the BSR McDonald MP60.

    Quite a few notches lower than the other favourites of the time, such as Shure M55E or the M75 series.
  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Very often found hiding in old Lenco headshells, which is unsurprising given the Goldring connection. I’ve never tried one. My first system second-hand GL75 had already had it evicted for a Shure M75EJ, which was likely a horrific compliance match to the heavy Lenco arm.

    What was the best stylus one could get for a G800/850? I recall there were a few different ones of different colours. I would think one that made it as far as a SME 3009 would be pretty good.
  11. kevinrt

    kevinrt pfm Member

    The stylus that came with it is red. Not sure what that signifies or what other options were available.

  12. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

    Assuming original Goldring, red will be a D110H stylus as fitted to 800H, a .7mil spherical. 800H was described as being for inexpensive changers tracking between 2.5 to 4.0g with 3g recommended. The 'H' also indicated high output which was spec'd at 8mV. What was nice at the time is that the body would take D110E, their 0.3 x 0.7mil elliptical and track at 0.75 to 1.75g, essentially making this into 800E.

    I do recall reading of the ambient temperature affects upon sound quality, something that Goldring reportedly corrected early on by changing the rubber damping compound.
  13. Beobloke

    Beobloke pfm Member

    there were four if I remember correctly:

    White - the standard conical that tracked at 2.5g
    Red - larger conical that tracked at 3g
    Grey - elliptical that tracked at 1.5g
    Another colour I can’t remember - higher specification elliptical that tracked at 1.25g

    There was also a 78rpm stylus IIRC.
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  14. sktn77a

    sktn77a pfm Member

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  15. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

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  16. wd40addict

    wd40addict pfm Member

    78 stylus was blue. Goldring already tried to crack the American market in the 50s when their cartridges were imported and badged by Recoton.
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  17. mickhick1

    mickhick1 pfm Member

    One of these was fitted in a Garrard AP76 which I purchased new from Comet in 1972. I didn't like it at all, very dull sounding I seem to remember. Mine had the white stylus I think and I soon replaced it with a Shure M44E and a few years later a M75ED. I still have that somewhere, but my Dad had the G800 off me and used it in an SP25/III.
  18. slavedata

    slavedata pfm Member

    I still have a G800 which came originally with a Garrard SP25. A few years ago I bought an aftermarket 78 Stylus for it so I could play 78s That aftermarket stylus is white but definitley 78 you can see visually it is substantially different to a microgroove stylus. So colours are not necessarily consistent.
  19. lexi

    lexi pfm Member

    It was commented back in the day, that with Radio One using the lowly G800 cartridge, how did they manage to get such a super sound? Can't remember the reasons given.
  20. wd40addict

    wd40addict pfm Member

    The genuine Goldring 78 stylus is blue, obviously after market could be any colour.

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