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Gary Lineker vs. BBC

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Martyn Miles, Mar 10, 2023.

  1. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    You did donate to the Labour Party though & voted Corbyn in as leader.
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  2. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    It`s not people having personal bias and leanings that`s the problem, It`s the fact that they act on them and then deny it.
  3. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’d argue I wasn’t tribal at all. I have never been a member of a political party. I have always viewed myself as a floating voter and have voted for Lib Dem, Green and Labour based upon manifesto pledges and voting behaviour. I have political beliefs, as everyone does, but they have never aligned with any UK party. I view myself as miles away from a multi-millionaire Tory donor/crony/fixer such as Richard Sharp or a failed Tory politician such as Tim Davie. I am politically independent with no ties to anything.

    Yes, out of frustration/desperation with the useless state of Labour as a political entity. In hindsight it was a total waste of £3.

    I’ll pay money for change, e.g. I have a monthly subscription to Good Law Project as I view them as the best opposition to creeping right-wing authoritarianism in the UK at present. Given the lack of credible political opposition I will help crowdfund legal challenge to human rights abuses, corruption etc.

    Again I view all of this as non-partisan. I have no political home. I have no political representation.
  4. Dave***t

    Dave***t Revolutionary relativist

    Even if everyone is tribal in some way, there are different tribalisms and different extents of tribalism, and only some of them are inimical to the in-principle impartiality of of the BBC.

    Whatever the arguments which might apply to other forms of tribalism or roles, for the DG, a history of explicit participation in and representation of a political party which has a vested interest in influencing the nature of BBC output should be on the other side of a very thick red line.

    Of course donating huge sums of money and whatever else the current chairman did should too, but I’m thinking of the DG role here.
  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    So, when you say ‘I’ve never been a member of a political party’, that’s not entirely true Tony.
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  6. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    Nobody`s perfect.
  7. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    But your language betrays a certain tribalism, referring to anyone to the left of your position as ‘tankies’ or ‘Stans’ and anyone to the right as ‘gammon’ does rather place you inside a political group seeking to protect it’s borders as much as any other tribe.

    We all have our own political ideology that makes us seek out common ground with others and we react against those who traduce that hallowed ground with pejoratives. We are no less tribal than anyone else.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2023
  8. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    I am.
  9. tedmanzie

    tedmanzie pfm Member

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  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    That is just my commenting on tribal behaviour I see in others. A ‘stan’ is obviously a different term referring to parasocial adoration for a specific person (derived from the Eminem track), it is very precise, the other two refer to tribes, the very things I do not belong to! You’d maybe have a point if I had a political home. I don’t. I’ve been an outlier all my life.
  11. kensalriser

    kensalriser pfm Member

    Isn’t the specific problem with Davie’s appointment not so much his historic political activities but that he was appointed deliberately and precisely because of them?
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  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Absolutely, Richard Sharp too. These people are in these roles for no other reason than to actively push Tory ideology as news. The BBC is now sadly little different to media one would find in Russia, Iran etc. A channel for government communication dressed up as news. The positioning of the likes of Nick Robinson, Laura Kunessberg, Andrew Neil into prime ‘news’ roles etc is nothing new, but the management structure seems to be increasingly partisan as the Overton Window moves ever rightwards both here and in the USA.

    Like Stewart Lee above I’m done with it. I’ve not cancelled my license yet, but I certainly want too. My concern is that is exactly what the Tory far-right want me to do. As such I’m taking some time-out to think. I’m certainly sick to death of funding this shit. I can’t even view it as my just paying for The Proms and other arts, science and culture programming, as that’s on the skids too. BBC4 is just a repeats channel now.
  13. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    You might be an outlier, but that does not mean that you don’t view the world through tribal specs as much as the next person. Your language of ‘gammon’ and ‘Stan’ mark out your tribal view as much as my use of ‘the far right’ and ‘neoliberalism’.
  14. Dave***t

    Dave***t Revolutionary relativist

    I’d say it’s both. It’s not as if he merely expressed opinions in the past or even was a member or anything like that. He actually held a significant party role and stood for election as their candidate.

    That those facts are things which led to his appointment is another, rather than the only or the main, issue.
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  15. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    In the US, National Public Radio transmits BBC World News. I’ve listened regularly over the years, and have heard more and more right wing bias in the broadcast.

    Yesterday was a good example. The topic was the failure of Silicon Valley Bank, and the interviewer was pushing a BS right wing line that ESG investing was at the core of the failure. This familiar trope was easily destroyed by the interviewee, who then criticized banks who weren’t investing in ESG. Obviously frustrated, the interviewer tried to make it personal, claiming the interviewee had no right to criticize banks if he wasn’t perfect in his own life. It took about half a dozen stupid questions before the interviewer finally latched onto something minor. He claimed the interviewee was a hypocrite for owning an iPhone. It was really pathetic at bullying, so I switched my car’s radio to music.
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Have we had this picture yet: Twitter? Not photoshopped or faked, just a far-right woman laughing in front of her very own concentration camp. A remarkable signpost as to exactly where we are as a nation.
  17. awkwardbydesign

    awkwardbydesign Officially Awesome

    But cropped, so a far-right women laughing with two black people.
  18. Bjork67

    Bjork67 pfm Member

    Evil woman, must be something wrong with her internally.
  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    …in front of her very own concentration camp.
  20. awkwardbydesign

    awkwardbydesign Officially Awesome

    Whatever, but claiming it wasn't photoshopped or faked is dishonest. Factual, but still dishonest.

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