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FoS - anyone else here?

Sweet chocolate monkeys, you just want to cause trouble. C’mon then, I’ll bite. In which context did you mean it?
 
Sweet chocolate monkeys, you just want to cause trouble. C’mon then, I’ll bite. In which context did you mean it?
Ohhh Tony I'll not bother getting ankles deep in this. My point is that the VW has been given ample chance to be the fastest car up the hill, in the best conditions available; that has been driven by money. Hill climb cars would be on a par with this time, which have a budget many many times smaller than the VW, or even the F1 teams you think I want to run up the hill. Lastly, it wouldn't be a good look for Lord March to allow a hill climb special to run up and best the VW time - the 'future' of motoring versus a knackered, sorry old tech and unpolished car.
Why does everyone think that a comment on the internet is causing trouble? Sheesh.
 
Ohhh Tony I'll not bother getting ankles deep in this. My point is that the VW has been given ample chance to be the fastest car up the hill, in the best conditions available; that has been driven by money. Hill climb cars would be on a par with this time, which have a budget many many times smaller than the VW, or even the F1 teams you think I want to run up the hill. Lastly, it wouldn't be a good look for Lord March to allow a hill climb special to run up and best the VW time - the 'future' of motoring versus a knackered, sorry old tech and unpolished car.
Why does everyone think that a comment on the internet is causing trouble? Sheesh.


Sorry but this is utter nonsense.

Goodwood is a celebration of racing cars and although there is a corporate element (like any event except maybe the village fair) there is certainly no element of padding the rich investors to get the best time. It is ludicrous to suggest that VW have been "given the best chance to be fastest". They have the track at the same time as every one else with the same weather as everyone else as well. If they choose to spend a few million quid to build a specialised car to win it then fantastic, I want to see that but it does not make me think they are suddenly god gift to motor sport.

If anything the emphasis on outright fastest times has been declining in the 20 plus years I have been attending. Back in the early days the F1 cars and many others were all about balls out fastest runs but most people are there to see the cars demoed spinning the wheels and doing doughnuts etc.

This is not a race, it is a display for old racing cars and a few novelties like supercars and one off experiments.
 
Sorry but this is utter nonsense.

Goodwood is a celebration of racing cars and although there is a corporate element (like any event except maybe the village fair) there is certainly no element of padding the rich investors to get the best time. It is ludicrous to suggest that VW have been "given the best chance to be fastest". They have the track at the same time as every one else with the same weather as everyone else as well. If they choose to spend a few million quid to build a specialised car to win it then fantastic, I want to see that but it does not make me think they are suddenly god gift to motor sport.

If anything the emphasis on outright fastest times has been declining in the 20 plus years I have been attending. Back in the early days the F1 cars and many others were all about balls out fastest runs but most people are there to see the cars demoed spinning the wheels and doing doughnuts etc.

This is not a race, it is a display for old racing cars and a few novelties like supercars and one off experiments.
How rude. I never said it was a race, but there is a lot of interest around the world about who is fastest up the hill by Sunday evening. VW are using this interest for their own ends - not to win a trophy. It's pretty handy they they got a couple of quick runs yesterday, because as they, Michael Fish and everyone else knew, the weather was going to be an issue today.
All I'm saying is that I think (see where I say 'i think' right there) that VW have been given a golden ticket to achieve exactly what they might (see where I said might) have paid Lord March for.

Once again, why has everything got to be either an argument or 'complete nonsense' on the internet? It's my OPINION.
 
All I'm saying is that I think (see where I say 'i think' right there) that VW have been given a golden ticket to achieve exactly what they might (see where I said might) have paid Lord March for.

The Duke of Richmond.
 
I'd wager they'd already achieved a great amount of global publicity from an actual world renown competitive hill climb, Pikes Peak.

This is just a bit of fluff/fun, so what if they've had good conditions to set a record, in the grand scheme of things nobody really cares as it's just a car show.
 
Once again, why has everything got to be either an argument or 'complete nonsense' on the internet? It's my OPINION.

Well, you appeared to be insulting hillclimb cars, just for starters. If you're in an argumentative or agitated frame of mind, just accept that some here will retaliate.
 
Well, you appeared to be insulting hillclimb cars, just for starters. If you're in an argumentative or agitated frame of mind, just accept that some here will retaliate.
Ah no, sorry (sincerely) if you got that from what I was trying to say. Those hill climbers are some impressive machines, and my comment was intended - badly worded in hindsight - to reflect how VW might look upon one of these hill climb teams beating them up the hill, which I think they would from previous evidence at Prescott and Lydden Hill etc. They (hill climb teams) are the absolute experts at harrying a car up the hill, be it an F2 car, caterfield type or standard saloon style; they'd show the F1 drivers a clean set of heels.

My opinion still is that VW sit down at the start of the year and identify various opportunities to peddle their wares, or drive a concept forward. One of those would be 'obliterate the ICE cars at a popular motoring event, showing how EV is the only possible future'. To attempt this and fail would be a massive own goal So my opinion is that they can throw money at the problem to make it go away, or at least give themselves the very best chance. I'd imagine two (or was it more) attempts on any day rather than the Sunday is unprecedented.
I honestly thought you were being antagonistic because I didn't recognise how my comments could be misconstrued.
 
VWs corporate attitude to car manufacture isn’t limited to specialised prototype race cars. For a few years now they have been profiting off the back of making reliable and economical mass market vehicles that appeal to the average bloke in the street. It’s this malicious and malevolent attitude that gets my back.
 
Next they'll be saying the EV cars are zero emission.

Once I have an EV, and charge it from my own solar panels/storage, it’ll be a lot les polluting than cleanest IC engined car.

We are still at the birth of this stuff, so being over critical isn’t attractive. If any of us creaking old dinosaurs are still around in fifty years time, we will laugh at some of the comments made now about EVs.
 
'They' should be saying that it's a work in progress then, because although an EV is cleaner once it's plugged into your solar panel system, 95% of these cars will be charged from a supply that is filthy in terms of its carbon footprint. Let's not even get down to the nitty gritty of mining the precious elements that are used to manufacture these machines. Musk should look to square the circle by getting into clean energy creation - he might already be.
Don't get me wrong, I fully intend to get an EV in a couple of years; nothing too groovy, but my lifestyle and commute will make it common sense to do so.
 
“Is”

That’s the thing. Wind turbines have improved hugely over the last twenty years, energy storage will be booming with small buildings dotted all over the country. If we don’t keep pushing, we won’t find the answers.
 


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