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Ever wondered why recent BMWs look so unspeakably awful*?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by tones, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. tones

    tones Tones deaf

  2. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Life’s too short to give a toss.
  3. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    You could say that about most threads on PFM but here we are. :)

    I think the new 4 series looks very good. The snouty Xs are a bit ostentatious in an 'appeal to the Chinese market' way.
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  4. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    :thumbsup - it is the truth....
  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    My general experience is that if life's too short to care about something, it's often too short to tell other people how little I care about it too, unless they ask me directly.
  6. herb

    herb music live

    IMO BMW bike design peaked in the mid '80s with the now despised early K series, going cheap now. Great if you know what you are doing.
  7. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    My feeling is that up to a point BMWs were designed by engineers, then, as everywhere, the "designers" and marketing people took over. I had a 1983 320i that was really built to last, and a 6 cylinder engine of 2000cc. No power steering (absolutely no need for it) and a delight to drive. Now have a 1999 528i, thankfully still with 6 cylinders. A bit overloaded with gadgets, but still a serious, solid machine.
    Today you can't get a 6 cylinder engine unless you get one of the big, 400+ HP turbo models. All 4 or even 3 cylinders, some models are FWD. Almost impossible to get a simple manual gearbox. So another set of computers in the transmission.
    I know all the propaganda about fuel economy, emissions. But I would just like 3 litres, RWD, 6 cylinders, manual gearbox, no turbo. Not available.
    Oh, and the styling, especially inside, is all glitzy plastic brothel. And even the "leather upholstery" feels like plastic.
    Anyone know what happened to leather?
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  8. Nero

    Nero Wiped Clean

    I think these days, design has to stand out. It's not my cup of tea, but at least they are different. Otherwise, companies like Kia will just copy and do it cheaper. I can't tell the Sportage from most other SUVs
  9. julifriend

    julifriend pfm Member

    They could be much worse, they could be Vauxhalls!
  10. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    I find it hard to imagine how the producer of some of the most breathlessly elegant designs ever could fall quite so low:

  11. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    The rot began with Bangle.
    Mike P, Rcook, flatpopely and 3 others like this.
  12. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    The new grill design of the new 4 series (and M3) is designed to invoke the vertical grilles of the CS and Neue Klasse models. Heritage, innit?
  13. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Quite. The last good looking BMW was the E38. Bangle's Z4 design was OK but the rest were a bit s**t.
  14. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Or Kia. Apparently the grille is supposed to look like a tiger baring its teeth.

    I think it looks like Stephen Lewis

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  15. cutting42

    cutting42 Arrived at B4 Hacker Erg \o/

    The only possibility is that in the future when we are all driving electric commuter cars, there may be a market for new play cars that are recreations of the pure driving experiences. I just watch the YouTube of the brand new Mk1 and Mk2 Escort cars made in Wales by MST have a play on the configurator. Pricey but it makes me feel funny.

    That's cos leather is standard for every model so they make it a bit rubbish to persuade you to upgrade to the premium leather.
  16. bor

    bor queue jumper

    People fear change.

    Our survival instinct makes us suspicious of anything new or unusual, until we have acclimatised to it.

    When the Bangle designs were rolled out, there was a mass throwing-of-toys-out-of-prams, years later, people think his designs were actually pretty good.

    The E61 M5 still looks fresh today.

    You'll love the new designs given time.
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  17. -alan-

    -alan- pfm Member

    In the words of Setright, it wasn't so much how they looked that was the problem - but the possibility that you might be recognised when seen getting out of one.. :)
    Rcook and MikeMA like this.
  18. boneman

    boneman pfm Member

    This really is one of the most beautiful cars ever made. If I had loads of time/money I'd have this along with a few others. Timeless.
  19. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    It looks like a bmw reimagining of the Volvo p1800 an even prettier car.
  20. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Big grilles are fashionable at the moment, Volvo, Jaguar and Audi have been down this line already. Chinese and Russian markets perhaps? Bangle's abominations were worse imo. Much preferred the F10 and F32 5 and 4 series to the E61 5 series that Bangle mangled.

    Looking at comparisons, bling is everywhere the interiors still look OK for BMW/Audi I've seen some shockers in Mercs, but then they all look more Chrysler to me these days.

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