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Europe and You

Colin Barron

pfm Member
A four page leaflet dropped through my letterbox.
Cost of being in Europe is £1 a day but benefits are £3000 a year to the average household.

Source: CBI office for national statistics.
Apparently they have had eu grants of £120k each year for the past 5 years.
 
I hate to see the UK dragging the EU down. Eu needs to tell Cameron to F**k Off.
 
Id love to see their sums. No doubt its something like, cost of old import duty on everything you buy vs paying £365 a year each to keep arseholes in overpaid jobs.
 
The EU has a vested interest in concocting such bullshit.

So we pay all this money in to fund yet another level government & it saves us money? How?
 
Any money the EU costs is worth it IMHO not to have to trust the likes of Cameron, May etc with matters so critical as human rights, employment law etc. If we leave we should expect a fair few rights and civil liberties to evaporate pretty much overnight. That and the world of pain that is exporting goods outside of the EU zone (random import duties, collection fees etc). A nightmare for small business.

PS I've got one of the Europe And You spam papers in my recycling bin. I expect it is the first of a torrent that will no doubt include much xenophobic bullshit.
 
The EU has a vested interest in concocting such bullshit.

So we pay all this money in to fund yet another level government & it saves us money? How?

it doesn't

The study shows that life aboard the Brussels gravy train made millionaires of both Lady Kinnock and Neil, 67, the ex-Labour Party leader who served two terms as Britain’s EU Commissioner.

Critics have already questioned whether Lady Kinnock will be able to take an objective view of Britain’s interests in Europe after serving 15 years as an MEP in Brussels.

Her appointment to the Lords angered opposition MPs who will no longer be able to hold the Europe Minister to account.

Open Europe’s research director Mats Persson said last night: “You must really question Lady Kinnock’s suitability for the position as Europe Minister.

The EU has bankrolled her family for years, which raises question about where her interests and sympathies lie.

“How could it not colour her judgment in questions where EU policy is at odds with the national interest? It would be very hard for anyone not to identify with an institution that has effectively made them a millionaire.”

The research shows that Lady Kinnock earned £774,838 during her time as an MEP.

She was also entitled to a daily subsistence allowance worth £505,818 over that time, travel allowances worth almost £1.25million and general allowances worth £577,071.

In addition, she was entitled to secretarial allowances worth more than £2.3million, although these are to pay staff.

She also has a pension worth £67,836 a year, which would require a pot of £950,000 to buy in the private sector.

Lord Kinnock earned £1.85million in salary during his 10 years at the EU and qualified for a residence allowance for living in Brussels worth £276,962, an entertainment allowance worth £64,564, an installation allowance of £25,348 for taking the job, a resettlement allowance of £13,745 for leaving the job and a transition allowance, to help adjust to life outside Brussels, worth £355,143.

He also qualifies for a pension which pays out £83,089 a year and would cost £1.16million to buy in the private sector. The terms require him to remain supportive of the EU project.

In all, the Kinnocks qualified for pay, allowances and pensions worth £10.2million. The lack of receipts required for EU expenses makes it impossible to know if they claimed living allowances on the same home.

A spokeswoman for the Kinnocks last night insisted the payments to Lady Kinnock were the same as those received by other British MEPs and were irrelevant to her new role.

She said: “No payments could affect Glenys Kinnock’s judgment as a minister and she will properly fulfil all her duties as a UK minister.”

The spokeswoman added that Lady Kinnock forfeited a “golden goodbye” payment of £32,383 by accepting the job of Europe Minister and said that Lord Kinnock’s pay-off was lower than Open Europe suggest because he left early.

The Kinnocks have also been accused of hypocrisy over their willingness to accept peerages.

Lord Kinnock campaigned for years to have the House abolished, describing the Lords as “brigands, muggers, bribers and gangsters”.

Thank you lefty twits that put these labour parasite in power when you could have spent this on the needy of the UK, well done, NOT

Unelected, and you can't vote them out

Martin
 
The cost of exporting goods outside the EU zone wouldn't change if we left the EU. Why would it?

The UK is a leading brand in many markets. We should be free to exploit that in emerging markets. We don't need the EU.
 
it doesn't


Unelected, and you can't vote them out

Martin

plus un.

not for the politics but for the Welshwindbaggery. I hate this sort of thing, rewarded for who you know and not for how good you are. Unless I was receiving this money and then I would agree with the rewards completely.
 
One thing IS for sure

The debate is going to get very heated with some truly idiotic statements from both sides.

I think I'll keep out of it as much as possible and simply spend my life in a less schizophrenic nation.
 
One thing IS for sure

The debate is going to get very heated with some truly idiotic statements from both sides.

I think I'll keep out of it as much as possible and simply spend my life in a less schizophrenic nation.



So you dispute the UK is a leading brand?

Art, music, fashion, engineering, science, I'm sure there are more. OK, Oil & Gas prices are down just now, but I've got friends working in every corner of the globe. Why is that?

UK doesn't need the EU to do business.
 
I remember that when we went into the EU we were promised open boarders, and ease of exporting and importing due to unified tax rates.

No one mentioned vat doubling at the time or terrifyingly expensive European bureaucracy or 'ever closer union'

I don't see why importing and exporting should be any harder than it is now.
 
martin

It's usual to post a link to an article when quoting it, if only so people can see the source and decide on credibility. Just saying...

By the way, which 'twits' took us into the EU in the first place?
 
it doesn't

The study shows that life aboard the Brussels gravy train made millionaires of both Lady Kinnock and Neil, 67, the ex-Labour Party leader who served two terms as Britain’s EU Commissioner.

It seems Martin has taken to reading and quoting without credit that well know journal of record the Daily Desmond and dredging up 6 year old articles.
 
Don't think I'll bother to take much part in the Europe debate on pfm and will vote to leave the EU.

Jack



Cameron clearly lied about the referendum as he knew it was a vote winner. They would have offered some watered down conditional nonsense in 18 months time.

Thankfully the whole thing is imploding rapidly, we may not even need a vote.
 


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