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Edward Colston: Bristol slave trader statue 'was an affront'

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ks.234, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I'll take your word for it ;)
  2. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    Aye I know it sounds mental doesn’t it?

    Religion I mean, particularly the catholic kind, I can absolutely see why the song makes fun of the mass doesn’t make it right though.

    Btw London’s streets and buildings are chock full of anti-catholic symbols and there’s a lot of Masonic symbolism too.
    gavreid likes this.
  3. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    If you don't like it here, why don't you leave?

    Seriously people moaning about the manner in which the statue was taken down need to seriously rethink their priorities. The clip above (from a year or two ago) shows what happens when BAME people raise the issue in a polite manner - laughter, condecension and, yes, outright racism.
  4. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Thought I would say a good post just disappeared there as I pressed the "like" button.

    Keep well.
    Seeker_UK likes this.
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Sadly I’d expect nothing more from the flabby red-faced embodiment of racist gammon that is Nick Ferrari. He knows his audience, it just involves looking in the mirror.
  6. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    [reposted to reword]

    My priority is staying safe. The idea that direct action of any kind is legitimate in certain circumstances opens the door for any group with any agenda to feel OK to go ahead and break this or burn that or some other such wheeze and that leads us to a world in which I feel even less safe in as a person with one or more characteristic that is going to put me in some group or other's firing line: white, middle class, fairly affluent, middle-aged, wishy-washy liberal centrist (and not a fan of Naim :)) just wanting to get to the end of his life as well as he can and to keep his partner safe.

    So for those of you who are comfortable with direct action because you're on 'their' side, good for you. But, be under no illusion, one day, you won't be on the side of the majority and then you'll perhaps see why the events over the weekend trouble us / me.
    dweezil and Brian like this.
  7. richardkendell

    richardkendell pfm Member

    Some do, some don't. In the words of the Bishop of Durham
    "I wouldn't put it past God to arrange a virgin birth if he wanted. But I don't think he did."
    twotone likes this.
  8. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    "Liked" and quoted as well because this post is absolutely spot on.

  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    No. I get that. I also accept that I took your argument to an extreme.

    Nevertheless, I don’t get this relativist excuse that a man’s bad stuff could be off set by his good stuff. Now while there’s good and bad in all of us, my question about how much good stuff do you need to balance out being a slave trader(?) remains.
  10. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Is direct action legitimate in the circumstances of people who have been deported into slavery?
  11. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    It wasn't just Ferrari though was it? The rest of the panel shared a nice patronising chuckle at the "uppity ******". Pretty revolting stuff all round.
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr likes this.
  12. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    That was my question :) Apologies if I didn't articulate it too well, I'd expanded the group of bad people beyond just slave traders.

    However, if we consider slave trading alone, how far removed from the actual deed do we need to stop being bad by association? It's more of a 'philosophical' question than any challenge to your point.
  13. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    I sympathise with what you say.

    I'm not exactly cheering these people on, but I refuse to get all hot under the collar about the statue of a racist and, ultimately, I'm delighted that it's fallen. Good riddance.

    I also think there is a useful distinction to be made about damage to things and physical violence directed at people. The latter bothers me, the former, not so much.
    Sean K, calorgas, twotone and 3 others like this.
  14. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    So where do you draw the line? OK to damage business premises? OK to damage people's property because you don't agree with what they do?

    You and KS just don't get how I feel about this at all. Let me explain in simple terms - this is leading to a world where it's going from just being a highly unsettling place I no longer feel I can belong to one where I am going to be genuinely scared.
  15. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    So your saying here that you would rather keep the status quo in case black/ethnic people gain the upper hand then we (white people) will have the shoe on the other boot i.e. walk in a black man's shoes?

    Man that really is a pish way to look at this issue apologies if I'm reading you wrong here but that's the way it's coming across to me.
  16. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    That is not what I'm saying but hey, as everyone seems to think that I'm obviously a white supremacist and an apologist for slavery, f**kin' pile on.
  17. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I had a friend who was an Anglican vicar- he didn’t believe in life after death/ heaven & hell, the resurrection etc. He did believe though that Christian teaching was an excellent thing.
  18. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    Well you are coming across like that frankly so maybe try to explain yourself better.

    Black people gaining the upper hand might actually be better than this carry on who knows, they've never had a proper chance, have they?

    I remember watching Notting-hill/that hugh Grant movie last year with my wife and there was one black person in the entire movie, a bouncer/security guard, this film was a depiction of life in London in 1999 and there's only one black person in the entire movie, unreal.
  19. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    It's clear as day that isn't what you're saying, so no, that's not how you come across at all.
  20. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    "So for those of you who are comfortable with direct action because you're on 'their' side, good for you. But, be under no illusion, one day, you won't be on the side of the majority and then you'll perhaps see why the events over the weekend trouble us / me"

    Must be me then cause that definitely reads pretty dodgy.

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