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Edward Colston: Bristol slave trader statue 'was an affront'

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ks.234, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I don’t think it’s possible to compare Colston, a commercial trader/ human trafficker/ benefactor with Churchill or Turing who’s achievements are of a different order. I’m wondering if Priti Patel is doing a William Barr in threatening to overrule the local police and demand arrests because she’s an authoritarian opportunist and Colston was a Tory MP?
     
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  2. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Now you're just being p*ssy because we don't all see things your way.
     
  3. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Really? She doesn't come across as the sort of person has a deep knowledge of the history of her party.
     
  4. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    In cities such as Liverpool and Bristol the slave trade is in the mortar of almost every building and street, it is said that there were more Confederate flags flying in Liverpool during the American Civil War than there were in Richmond Virginia.The shipyards on the river(incl Lairds) built the Confederate fleet. The city's merchants armed the Southern army and broke the Union blockade.
    Albert Dock, built with slave trade money. Take the Georgian Quarter,19 Abercromby Sq was allegedly built to be the Embassy of the Confederacy, became the Bishops Palace and is now part of the Uni-it is adorned with Confederate flags and other slave states ephemera, it is a listed building. You'd need to nuke the city to remove the stains of its slave trade past.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2020
  5. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Starmer tried to do the balance thing, I get that, even though I find his continued reluctance to stand on a point of principle increasingly annoying. However he should certainly have acknowledged that peaceful and legal efforts to remove the statue have been going on for years and have hit a brick wall. This would have given him the opportunity to express some kind of solidarity with the protestors, even if he wished to avoid full-throated support of their actions. As it is, what he said is barely distinguishable from Boris Johnson's stated position (though I'm sure Starmer is more sincere). That can't be right.

    As for Johnson's position, the Daily Mirror has a full transcript of all exchanges on this matter in the lobby briefing this morning:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-spokesman-repeatedly-refuses-22156755

    Reading it, you can see why protestors might despair of ever making progress via peaceful and democratic means, unless they take matters into their ow hands.
    Basically, Johnson's more outraged about the damage to property than about racism. Hardly surprising given he leads a party that is racist to its core and he wrote a novel full of racist stereotypes.
     
  6. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Here’s another famous benefactor- raised an estimated £40m for charitable causes. Should his statues go back up?

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    It’s what he said. Message couldn’t be clearer and it’s already found its audience. He’s f—ed Labour as an organisation for young people.
     
  8. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    David Olusoga, who presents BBC 2 programme A House Through Time , said protesters should have never had to topple the bronze figure because it should have been taken down years ago.
    ""I'm afraid today should never have happened because this statue should have been taken down and it should have been a great collective day for Britain and Bristol when the statue was peacefully taken down and put in a museum which is where, after all, we remember history properly." Which is exactly what Starmer said.
    And yes I now he then goes further than Starmer has.
    He's not trying to get elected though!
    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/he-slave-trader-murderer-david-4202819

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...n-statue-history-slave-trader-bristol-protest

    I'd highly recommend all three series of this:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09l64y9

    Series 1 Liverpool, 2 Newcastle and 3 and currently showing, from Bristol.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Olusoga
     
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  9. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Johnson/Patel will fall back on the “we are the party of law and order” and try to reposition Starmer as friend of the criminals (‘letting off the Asian grooming gangs’ smears as precedent). The convicted violent criminal Yaxley Lennon is already fanning outrage, Farage, Hate-monger Katie Hopkins ( immigrants swarming like cockroaches over the cenotaph), Sarah Vine, Isabel Oakshott, Daniel Hannan Guido Fawkes, Rod Liddle and even Pantomime Dame of The British Empire, Charles Moore will be cashing in on the Enemies Within hysteria. Have I left anyone out?

    oh yea I forgot Melanie Phillips and Heartless-Brewer.
     
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  10. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    It’s not what Starmer said.
     
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  11. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Yep. Untriangulable. Time to pick a side.
     
  12. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    It is!
    "...that statue should have been taken down a long, long time ago. You can’t, in 21st-century Britain, have a slaver on a statue.
    A statue is there to honour people. And you can’t have that in 21st-century Britain. That statue should have been brought down properly with consent and put, I would say, in a museum."
    What is the difference between that and:
    "I'm afraid today should never have happened because this statue should have been taken down and it should have been a great collective day for Britain and Bristol when the statue was peacefully taken down and put in a museum which is where, after all, we remember history properly."
    ?
     
  13. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Yup. Farage is already warning that "If Boris Johnson won't lead and stand up for the country, as its symbols are trashed, then people will start taking it into their own hands. Full on race riots are now possible. Show leadership and fast." and his far-right ****face of a mate Raheem Kassam popped up in the comments to promote his "Enoch Was Right" book. I'd like to throw the lot of these far-right bastards into the sea and watch them drown.
     
  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I was naively thinking a few months ago that it was N.Ireland about to go up. With the Covid-Brexit political/ economic disaster, and incompetent government, there’s never been a better time to go after scapegoats
     
  15. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    “It’s completely wrong”! Where does he say that? Because that was Starmer’s message and the rest was pious qualification.
     
  16. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Actually I don’t want to tempt fate but openly racist Liddle is too quiet. He almost succeeded in collapsing the Stephen Lawrence murder trial by claiming his racist killers wouldn’t get a fair trial. Can’t believe he’s going to keep his mouth shut this time.
     
  17. spxy

    spxy pfm Member

    Statute in the river made my weekend! We have every right to protest and take action when authorities don't listen to good reason.
     
  18. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    And young people, as an entire demographic, would feel so alienated by the concept of behaving lawfully that they'd withdraw their support for Labour?
     
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  19. Schnitger

    Schnitger pfm Member

    I remember the poll tax riots attracted wide-spread criticism but ultimately led to the ending of the poll tax. It seems to me this was, as David Olsuga writes, not an attack on history, but history itself. Seeing the event on the news I was struck by the visual parallels with the toppling of Sadam Hussein's statue in Baghdad in 2003. The only thing I lament about the affair is that it should happen during a pandemic and I pray that such large gatherings don't turn out to be super-spreader events.
     
  20. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    That's strecthing things a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(Great_Britain)

    What finished the poll tax was the threat of a trouncing in the GE by Labour and like they normally do, the Conservative Party put party survival ahead of everything else. It's just that this time, it seemed to work in the favour of the population.
     

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