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Disintegration of Russia?

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Vinny

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I suspect that it may come at least close, but not without a lot of spilt Russian blood.

There have been videos posted for quite a while by groups who claim to be both the Freedom for Russia Legion, and Russian Volunteer Corps. Both claim to be organisations of ethnic Russians, if not of Russian nationality, who are opposed to Putin, and now they appear to have taken a small chunk near Belgorod.
They do fly the blue over yellow, and seem to be using at least some US equipment that was supplied to Ukraine, at least some supposedly reclaimed after Russian capture.

More than that, several of the Russian republics that are virtually unknown to virtually all posting here, have people posting videos urging their people to vote for independence from the tyranny of Putin and the corruption of his cronies, to escape Putin’s unreasonable taxes on their money and their people’s lives.

For Ukraine, the quicker that more chaos descends upon Russia, the better, but the wholesale break-up of Russia into truly independent republics……………………………. Chaos on a biblical scale.

Nightmare scenario on the horizon!!! (Possibly)

Slava Ukrayini. Myr dlya vsikh uchasnykiv
Slava Ukraine. Mir dlya vsekh uchastnikov.



 
Potentially vary scary. I read an article some time ago and there is the possibility of Russia splitting into something like 29 separate states; some with nuclear capability and some without.

What worries me even more is that somebody in China will be assessing this. If there is a non-nuclear splinter state with a border with China which is resource rich then who is going to stop China from invading ?
 
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All part and parcel of the nightmare scenario unleashed by madman Putin and his lunatic henchmen. That said, Russia has only ever been a whole mass of peoples welded together by military force as much as anything else.
There was a video posted on YouTube maybe 10 days or so ago, playing an intercepted 'phone call between two less spritely ex-pat Russians who did very well out of the dissolution of the USSR - they predicted blood on the streets of Moscow (civil war) thanks to Putin's C19 mentality. They came across as totally sane.

Maybe more than anytime in my 60+ years, I wish that human-kind were all devout buddhists.

I'd pray for Putin's assasination or sudden natural death, but it would make no difference over all.
 
Stemcor said:
Potentially vary scary. I read an article some time ago and there is the possibility of Russia splitting into something like 29 separate states; some with nuclear capability and some without.

What worries me even more is that somebody in China will be assessing this. If there is a non-nuclear splinter state with a border with China which is resource rich then who is going to stop China from invading ?
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Doesn't need to wait for that. Kazakhstan is available now.
 
The collapse of empires is never easy, or pretty. It's always historically progressive, however.
 
sideshowbob said:
The collapse of empires is never easy, or pretty. It's always historically progressive, however.
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I doubt it. If Russia disintegrates there will be a great influx of western financial interests that will strip local assets through privatisation and deregulation in exchange for access to globalised finances, markets and IMF loans that will see an influx of foreign multinationals and the collapse of smaller home growth businesses.

The whole enterprise will be sold with greater GDP, but that will only be achieved, as it does everywhere, by greater wealth inequality. Increased wealth inequality tends towards regression, not progression.

The collapse of empire does not lead to anything historically progressive. Such progression only ever comes from social movements that have made small inroads into the hegemony of capital interests, and as we can see happening before our very eyes today, it doesn’t take long for capital to fight back against labour to marginalise and diminish the advances made by democracy.
 
There is always a chance that Putin is replaced by someone even more deranged, someone who adopts an even more aggressive form of Russian God-influenced nationalism (Xi on steroids). That person could very well annihilate Russia as we know it, and for that matter, the West.
 
Kirk said:
There is always a chance that Putin is replaced by someone even more deranged, someone who adopts an even more aggressive form of Russian God-influenced nationalism (Xi on steroids). That person could very well annihilate Russia as we know it, and for that matter, the West.
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Bring back the monarchy I say...and a new day Rasputin just for more fun.
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I bet the inequality in socialist Russia is bigger than in the west.

ks.234 said:
The whole enterprise will be sold with greater GDP, but that will only be achieved, as it does everywhere, by greater wealth inequality. Increased wealth inequality tends towards regression, not progression.
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wacko said:
For sure. And it is not socialist.
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Nearer a dic(head)tatorship now. As much of the previous USSR empire is now separately governed countries, I can't see which parts of current Russia would want to be a separate entity, as suggested in video(s) above. In such a vast expanse, there are cultural difference, but there are only two capital cities, both in the western part.

Nor do I think there's a likelihood of civil war, because once the population is apprised of the true nature of Putin's media whitewash and strategic empire-building cock-ups etc., he'll have few advocates among the general public.
 
lagavullin10y said:
I bet the inequality in socialist Russia is bigger than in the west.
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Well, Russia is not really socialist nor democratic, so we should perhaps hope that we are a lot better that Russia.

We are better, but not by a lot. UK on 35.1, Russia on 36.0

For perspective the USA at 45.5 is a lot more unequal, and more equal than the UK are most of all our European neighbours (Belgium 27.2, Finland 27.7, Sweden 29.2, Denmark 27.7 etc, etc)

The UK was at 27.0 before 1979.

If we are at all interested in social justice we should be aspiring to be at least as good as our European democratic competitors, not just slightly better than Putin’s murderous authoritarian regime.

But the real point is that the original author of the ideology of privatisation, deregulation and cuts to public services, the USA, is far more unequal than Putin’s Russia *because* it is so neoliberal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
 
Gangster capitalism + dictatorship.

Huge drop in mean life expectancy following the break-up of the USSR and the introduction of capitalism at its most feral.

Not an argument for Soviet style communism, of course, but the sunlit uplands never materialised either.
 
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