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Coronavirus - the new strain XXII

Discussion in 'off topic' started by SteveS1, Nov 30, 2021.

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  1. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Patients who survive severe Covid are more than twice as likely to die over the following year than those who remain uninfected or experience milder virus symptoms, a study says.

    The research, published in Frontiers in Medicine, suggests that serious coronavirus infections may significantly damage long-term health, showing the importance of vaccination.

    The increased risk of dying was greater for patients under 65, and only 20% of the severe Covid-19 patients who died did so because of typical Covid complications, such as respiratory failure.
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  2. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    “they can phone their GP and talk about it”

    what alternate reality do you live in?
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  3. Caledon1297

    Caledon1297 pfm Member

    The 2 & 5 are the important ones, for obvious reasons. The rest are obfuscation, to try to conceal the conspiracy... :eek:

  4. Spraggons Den

    Spraggons Den pfm Member

  5. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Oh for goodness sake this wasn’t even aimed at you, there are plenty of people here and elsewhere who solely blame the government for everything, it’s squarely aimed at them!! You have an utter obsession with me and it’s genuinely a bit disturbing! Please just try and ignore me and don’t respond to me, as said I will then do likewise!
  6. brian2957

    brian2957 pfm Member

    Exactly. Well said that man.
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  7. Caledon1297

    Caledon1297 pfm Member

  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    His son doesn't seemed to have learnt from the experience either - let's hope others do...

    "Lamb’s son Jonathan had earlier described his father’s infection as “a spiritual attack from the enemy” to take him down, in a broadcast on the network last week, reported CBS19.

    “As much as my parents have gone on here to kind of inform everyone about everything going on to the pandemic and some of the ways to treat COVID — there’s no doubt that the enemy is not happy about that,” Mr Lamb said.

    “And he’s doing everything he can to take down my Dad,” he added."
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  9. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    And when they're required by their employer to work in a crowded, poorly ventilated office?

    I guess they could always quit and go on the dole eh? They're adults and able to make their own decisions after all.
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  10. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    Also, it reduces the number of admissions to hospital from the dominant Delta variant so, should vaccines be found to be less effective against Omicron, the hospitals have capacity to deal with it.
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  11. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    We can prevail over Omicron. We just need to use the tools we have - Eric Topol (is the founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, professor of molecular medicine, and executive vice-president of Scripps Research)

    Masks, vaccines, boosters, rapid tests and anti-Covid pills will all be essential in the months ahead

    "...Moreover, that third shot induces remarkably high neutralizing antibodies, much higher than the second vaccine dose, and much broader activity against variants. Furthermore, the T-cell response to vaccines are far less variant sensitive than neutralizing antibodies, which puts us in good stead for fully vaccinated people to reduce the risk of severe disease."
  12. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    So are you agreeing with me about the vulnerable and elderly?
  13. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

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  14. a.palfreyman

    a.palfreyman pfm Member

    Too true I'm afraid. It's what happens when people can no longer be made responsible for their actions...
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  15. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    "Why don't you explain to all the DEAD CHILDREN about tradeoffs and the balance of expert opinion!" I didn't kill anyone, acknowledging uncertainty did not kill anyone, avoiding absurdly confident predictions and prescriptions didn't kill anyone. As regards lifting short term restrictions the question was always *when*. There was a case to be made for summer rather than winter, and vice versa, but it was hard to hear them because of all the noise about dastardly herd immunity experiments, wilful infection of children, 100,000 unnecessary deaths and so on.

    The article you link to is good and if the discussion about what to do weren't dominated by grandstanding and denunciation the issues it raises might be given a proper hearing. I note that her emphasis is on work from home, support to isolate and increasing sick pay: demands that you and seemingly iSage have dismissed as absurd and infantile, the better to focus on more media-friendly fare like masks, schools and Freedom Day. That's accomplished nothing on its own terms, but it's certainly taken the heat off the government as regards more meaningful demands such as Ryan's.
  16. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    The Tories have always pitched this as Summer vs Autumn when it wasn't a binary choice and neither has proven to be the correct answer anyway. There has been a need for ongoing restrictions, childrens vaccinations, a better organised and funded booster programme etc, etc. It's extremely offensive just to brush off the huge number of deaths and serious illness by saying that they might have happened later.
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  17. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    I’m not doing that, I’m saying that timing was obviously a factor and that it’s misleading to pretend that there were (or are) any easy answers. I’m sick of your accusations that this amounts to dismissing suffering and death, and all this stuff about offensiveness of late, please.
  18. IanW

    IanW pfm Member

    With different decisions made by the government then there would have been fewer excess deaths. Johnson made his choices and the result is that over the past 6 months we have the highest number of Covid deaths out of all the major European countries. There never has been a right answer, as noone could know what it is, but Johnson has continually provided the wrong decisions.

    To be fair to iSage, they have discussed the privileged / disadvantaged divide w.r.t. Covid outcomes and said that things needed to be done to improve the outcomes for the disadvantaged through payments to be off work for sickness / isolation etc. I have not seen anyone (iSage or on PFM) say that these demands were infantile or absurd and I very much support them as things that needed to be done. But Johnson knew better and so they did not happen, i.e. we should be railing at the government not at iSage or people on PFM (unless they really think that Boris is making the right decisions).
  19. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

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  20. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    I think the idea that there would have been fewer excess deaths in the longer term, more in the shorter term. I think you are wrong to say that he has taken the wrong decisions in 2021 -- I could provide a list of right ones if you want.

    Well, no, actually. It isn't offensive. They might have happened later. And more of them were expected have happened later. Stop trying to silence people by taking a holier than thou position.
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