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Coronavirus - the new strain XXI

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I am not clear why the UK deaths are so high at 181 ? France 68, Germany 51, Italy 49 etc
And yet our 50+ year olds are 96-98% vaccinated.
Are breakthrough deaths that much higher with AZ than Pfizer ?
 
wacko said:
Are breakthrough deaths that much higher with AZ than Pfizer ?
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Decide for yourself, this is from the end of July

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Looking at that PHE chart, there is a surprising spread on those AZ two-dose results. What does 75-99% even mean: they're not sure but it's somewhere in that range? It would be a significant difference (95-99% sounds quite a bit better than 75-99% when talking about mortality).
A large (n= 22 million) French study recently concluded that the main vaccines used there (Pfizer, Moderna, AZ) all provided similar and high levels of protection for everybody above 50. https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/arti...de-22-millions-de-personnes_6097870_3244.html
A US study found Moderna gave slightly higher levels of protection than BioNTech/Pfizer (no AZ data as the Feds didn't authorize it) - the Moderna protection faded more slowly, IIRC.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e1.htm
 
wacko said:
Spike in Singapore is a bit strange given their high vaccination rate. Could there be a new variant...
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There could well be, apparently there's some dodgy stuff going on with PCR & LFT tests in Kent which they're looking into seems they think there may be a strain able to evade testing but they're not sure which means it's serious, that's what the said about the Kent strain ie 'awe it's just a weird looking variant, nothing to worry about' with about 100,000 people dead later on within six months.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/n...eral-flow-tests-followed-negative-pcr-1243356
 
twotone said:
There could well be, apparently there's some dodgy stuff going on with PCR & LFT tests in Kent which they're looking into seems they think there may be a strain able to evade testing but they're not sure which means it's serious, that's what the said about the Kent strain ie 'awe it's just a 'weird looking variant, nothing to worry about' with about 100,000 people dead later.
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Think this post needs the article posting for corroboration. There are several theories why this could be happening, and no evidence as yet:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/n...-flow-tests-followed-negative-pcr-1243356/amp
 
lordsummit said:
Think this post needs the article posting for corroboration. There are several theories why this could be happening, and no evidence as yet:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/n...-flow-tests-followed-negative-pcr-1243356/amp
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If this mob told me it was Tuesday and raining tonight I wouldn't believe them.

Make a complete eff up, be responsible for killing about 100,000 shag your bird in the palace of Westminster, 'resign' then get a job in the United nations 'looking after Africa's economic recovery post Covid.

You really couldn't make some of this shit up.
 
wacko said:
Spike in Singapore is a bit strange given their high vaccination rate. Could there be a new variant...
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They have mainly had Pfizer 6+ months ago.
They have millions of foreign workers in fairly crowded dormitories.
There is a significant number of anti-vaxers, who were encouraged by the very low community infections until a month ago (this is also seen in Aus and NZ)
The death rate is very low. Its seems to be Delta doing a breakthrough.
 
davidsrsb said:
They have mainly had Pfizer 6+ months ago.
They have millions of foreign workers in fairly crowded dormitories.
There is a significant number of anti-vaxers, who were encouraged by the very low community infections until a month ago (this is also seen in Aus and NZ)
The death rate is very low. Its seems to be Delta doing a breakthrough.
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The death rate is low but has recently increased from 1 or 2 a day to 10-12. Per head that is a sudden jump to UK levels despite a higher vaccination rate. Perhaps most of those cases/deaths are foreign workers.
 
Some discussion upthread regarding UK doing much worse than France but fatalities expressed as a percentage of total cases is virtually identical.
 
webster said:
Some discussion upthread regarding UK doing much worse than France but fatalities expressed as a percentage of total cases is virtually identical.
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The mystery is why there’s such a big difference in case numbers. I actually don’t know how many people have COVID each week in France (as opposed to positive results) but I bet it’s much less than our 800K or thereabouts. Maybe a tenth of that. A twentieth.

Why are so few frenchies catching covid? Vaccine passports? A more effective vaccine? Less vaccine waning? Masks? The general health of the population? A less densely populated country? More respect for isolation? Better health and safety at work? I guess some or all of these things are making a small contribution which add together to have a massive effect - hard to say! Impossible to say I suspect. It’s a real mystery.
 
I think all of what you mention is valid.
In addition there is an attempt to enforce rules in France - I saw absolutely no attempt whatsoever to do so in the UK.
 
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Do you know what percentage of this number of 800K would be under 18?
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Good thinking.

According to this, taken from a questionnaire based study at the end of last month, 2% of them are positive

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And this website suggests there are about 15.5M people under 19

• UK population 2020, by age group | Statista

So I guess about 300,000 under 19s are covid positive each week. Half a million adults a week catch it.
 
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