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Coronavirus - the new strain XX

Discussion in 'off topic' started by gavreid, Jul 22, 2021.

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  1. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Booyakashah, check out my avatar...

    Friday evenings see it full of people hitting the town. Seems the tube carries more leisure travellers than workers now.
     
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  2. gavreid

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  3. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Poor behavioural scientists, they can't win. They either get blamed for bad policies (remember "behavioural fatigue"?) or they get ignored.
     
  4. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

  5. Somafunk

    Somafunk pfm Member

    Good, zero shits given.

     
  6. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

  7. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Isage’s mission is to use impact journalism to call the government to account. Its mission is not to present the issues fully and fairly, objectively and independently. It is a political operation. There’s a fine line between calling the the government’s approach to the covid crisis to account, and using the covid crisis for political ends.
     
  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    40 kids per day have been hospitalised throughout the summer holidays - now it's set to get worse.
     
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  9. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    It's very naive in this day and age to think that you might inflence anything without a strong social media presence.
     
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  10. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Absolutely. Respiratory diseases, heart conditions, stroke. Hypertension but less so. https://alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/

    The Guardian's covering this today...

    People with chronic conditions among most at risk from Covid even after jabs

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...among-most-at-risk-from-covid-even-after-jabs
     
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  11. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Like you here!

    What do we know about that? How long are they in before discharge?
     
  12. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    The surprising, and encouraging thing is that they haven’t approved boosters for 16-64 year olds, citing insufficient of evidence of benefit. It’s only the advisory body, so still time for the US to say Fck the World, but it’s a positive development and I hope the rest of the rich world follows suit.
     
  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I still don’t quite understand how this impacts global production and supply. Pfizer etc can produce and sell their wares wherever they want. Given the nature and storage requirements of the vaccines that would very likely involve new factories, refrigeration plants and whole supply chains close to the point of delivery. The argument strikes me as being as fundamentally stupid/illogical as the “eat up your dinner, there are people starving in Africa” phrase I remember hearing back in the ‘70s and ‘80s. If we want to vaccinate the third world we need to start with the logistics, not an irrational argument that if we don’t take vaccines here others can have them in the 3rd world. I just don’t think that is how it works. We need to start with manufacturing capability, storage and supply chains.
     
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  14. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    I'm going to say it again that we need to stop with this either or argument as it's just two sides of those with an axe to grind whining on. The focus needs to be on making enough vaccine available to everyone (be that boosters, third world nations first doses or whatever). Until that mindset overtakes the whole range of politically driven arguments around boosters and vaccine availability the world will remain predominantly screwed!
     
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  15. wacko

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    I'm not sure the Pfizer should be distributed throughout Africa even if enough available. The storage requirements will simply not be met in large enough numbers to either make it dangerous for the vaccinated or allow the virus to mutate to evade this vaccine, or both.
    Better to distribute vaccines that can be stored in a normal fridge and have a reasonable 'shelf life'.
     
  16. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    There will be places where AZ is a better choice as you say, but it's only -80 degrees, which is a just standard lab chest freezer. These will (or could be made be available) in the city hospitals, for sure.
     
  17. clivem2

    clivem2 pfm Member

    How much of the population is in cities? I believe there’s very significant population far away from cities. How reliable is the power network? It’s easy to think that installing fridges is easy but when you visit some of these countries you get to realise the situation is far from what we’re used to. Yes major cities in South Africa have the infrastructure but not right across the continent. Also, simply sending kit out there does not remotely guarantee it’ll end up where it should. AZ would surely be a better option.
     
  18. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Sure, I'm just making the point that Africans don't generally live in mud huts in the middle of nowhere
     
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  20. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

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