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Coronavirus - the new strain XII

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lordsummit said:
Shutting the pubs and play centres isn’t going to effect any gross change, it’s tinkering round the edges. Doing the deckchairs on the Titanic. The areas with low numbers should be grateful to join in as it’ll stop them becoming the new North.
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Everyone agrees with this, the Tier 3 constraints aren't designed to effect a major change, they're a minimum. The ball is now in the hands of the mayors to supplement them with other, more stringent, measures. If Burnham thinks it's best for Manchester people to close restaurants, for example, impose a curfew, he can do so I think.

lordsummit said:
I can only see regular short full lockdowns keeping it in check. I seem to remember that being a pattern suggested months ago by Whitty. Short sharp shocks to get the numbers down.
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Maybe, maybe not, what I don't understand is what the impact of rapid antigen tests will be.
 
mandryka said:
Everyone agrees with this, the Tier 3 constraints aren't designed to effect a major change, they're a minimum. The ball is now in the hands of the mayors to supplement them with other, more stringent, measures. If Burnham thinks it's best for Manchester people to close restaurants, for example, impose a curfew, he can do so I think.
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Damn sight easier if he’s got a decent bit of funding rather than a grudging, cheeseparing handout, though.
 
lordsummit said:
I can only see regular short full lockdowns keeping it in check. I seem to remember that being a pattern suggested months ago by Whitty. Short sharp shocks to get the numbers down.
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Yes and I remember chatting to a mate in the garden at the time. We were saying 'thats how it's gong to be'; a bit of social distanced semi-normality, lockdown for a month or so; rinse and repeat until we can get a vaccine, and not just a vaccine but enough vaccine into enough people. With a serious effort that looks like summer of 22 to me. And that would be a triumph.
I think the local idea would work if we were a united country with a government of national unity, a proper public information campaign and funded support/measures to keep people out of poverty.
 
lordsummit said:
It is just the same old same old. The ridiculous thing is it won’t make any difference at all. I know the pubs will just get a stash of frozen lasagna in, they’ll sell it cheap so they can stay open. They need the money. In all honesty the restrictions are hardly more restrictive than they have been for the last three? months. They worked well didn’t they?

All it means is I still won’t do any more than wave at my parents and have a quick conversation from the edge of the garden.

It’s all tokenistic and half-hearted and seems designed to piss us off so that we all say **** it I’ll do what I want. This is crash testing as far as I can see and the North is being used as a crash test dummy. Yes I can see that areas of the country will be mighty peeved if their numbers are low, but so were ours in August. We were concerned when it went over 40. It’s over 500 now. Shutting the pubs and play centres isn’t going to effect any gross change, it’s tinkering round the edges. Doing the deckchairs on the Titanic. The areas with low numbers should be grateful to join in as it’ll stop them becoming the new North.

I can only see regular short full lockdowns keeping it in check. I seem to remember that being a pattern suggested months ago by Whitty. Short sharp shocks to get the numbers down.
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Spot on.
At the very start they used the phrase flattening the curve.
It was never going to get rid of the virus.
It was just to stop the NHS being overwhelmed and relaxing the restrictions when the numbers went down.
It was made clear at the time it was going to be rinse and repeat until either the virus mutated away or a vaccine was developed.
 
It's so sad, we have the resources, the know how, a brilliant NHS but we don't have the leadership because leadership is even harder in the boiling frog situation we are in. I'm not even sure if national unity has ever been achieved in such a circumstance.
 
TheDecameron said:
Johnson offered Manchester £22m to pay for the economic ruin of shutting them down. His bent housing minister Robert Jenrick intervened to save party donor Porno Desmond £45m, deliberately preventing it from going to the cash strapped London borough hosting his property development.
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Let’s hope getting rid of them becomes a priority in 2024.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Damn sight easier if he’s got a decent bit of funding rather than a grudging, cheeseparing handout, though.
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This may be a completely stupid thought, but I'm not going to let that stop me. I wonder if we'll start seeing local COVID taxes. A tax on the restaurants of Manchester hypothecated to provide delivery services to isolating families, for example. Or a hike in local business tax to pay an additional 13% furlough to businesses required to close.
 
mandryka said:
This may be a completely stupid thought, but I'm not going to let that stop me. I wonder if we'll start seeing local COVID taxes. A tax on the restaurants of Manchester hypothecated to provide delivery services to isolating families, for example. Or a hike in local business tax to pay an additional 13% furlough to businesses required to close.
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Yeah, that’d do it. Just about finish off most of them making their goods more expensive. Just what the poor oiks in Northern cities need.

How about a posh Londoner tax? You could tax all the people in the posh parts like Chelsea, Fulham, Kensington, Wimbledon lots to help out the starving North. Maybe Bob Geldorf could come out of retirement to help out.
 
lordsummit said:
I can only see regular short full lockdowns keeping it in check. I seem to remember that being a pattern suggested months ago by Whitty. Short sharp shocks to get the numbers down.
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Is this the report you were thinking of? https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-glob...covid-19/report-9-impact-of-npis-on-covid-19/ This was etched in my memory, because it suggested a series of lockdowns would be needed to supress the level of infections on a recurring basis until a vaccine (or cure) was found.

Chris Whitty might have referred to it, but it was Neil Ferguson from Imperial whose modelling scared Boris into a full lockdown in March. That was before he rather let himself down by not observing socially distancing from someone else's wife during lock-down, allegedly.
 
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lordsummit said:
It is just the same old same old. The ridiculous thing is it won’t make any difference at all. I know the pubs will just get a stash of frozen lasagna in, they’ll sell it cheap so they can stay open. They need the money. In all honesty the restrictions are hardly more restrictive than they have been for the last three? months.
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You might be right but I'm not so sure? My local in tier 3 on Wirral has had to close even though they sold pub meals for half of the day when the kitchen was open, are there different types of licence in operation? I suspect most pubs in GM might have to close?
 
Was just something told to me. Actually looking at the rules it looks destined to help out Wetherspoons and the like, but hurt the little guy.
 
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