I don't think it'll be two weeks now as that ship has sailed. What is going to happen is that the recorded cases, hospitalisations and deaths will continue to rise and will spread across the whole country until they are so high that a national lockdown has to happen in order to get the numbers back down to a level where any test and trace system can keep on top of them. Currently our t&t system is below par (I'm being polite there), but even if it weren't it would not be able to deal with 50K recorded cases a day and that is why a full lockdown will have to happen for as long as it takes to drive the cases down to a reasonable level. We have done this once and the government and a proportion of the population ****ed it up. This time we will need a better test and trace system, more buy into the methodology (meaning a better 'sales pitch' to Joe Public), proper financial support for those affected and enforcement of the rules (i.e. empowering the police properly) for those too ****ing selfish to follow them.
Coronavirus - the new strain XII
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I don't think it'll be two weeks now as that ship has sailed. What is going to happen is that the recorded cases, hospitalisations and deaths will continue to rise and will spread across the whole country until they are so high that a national lockdown has to happen in order to get the numbers back down to a level where any test and trace system can keep on top of them. Currently our t&t system is below par (I'm being polite there), but even if it weren't it would not be able to deal with 50K recorded cases a day and that is why a full lockdown will have to happen for as long as it takes to drive the cases down to a reasonable level. We have done this once and the government and a proportion of the population ****ed it up. This time we will need a better test and trace system, more buy into the methodology (meaning a better 'sales pitch' to Joe Public), proper financial support for those affected and enforcement of the rules (i.e. empowering the police properly) for those too ****ing selfish to follow them.
ff1d1l
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Precisely nothing if the tories spaff any advantages up the wall, as they did after the last one.
Wonder what half witted slogans we can look forward to...
Hard of thinking? You should be drinking!
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Because they're doing the tests but not the trace part of it. It has be be turned around quickly (within 24 hours) to be worthwhile, the contacts need to isolate before they go off infecting more people. It needs proper support to those told to isolate (full pay and protection from dismissal ideally), possibly help with shopping, chilcare etc. This country is in a mess and it's really been shown up by this crisis...
It doesn't matter how many tests we do if we're not then tracing the people who were in contact with those who tested positive. Testing is basically reactive, it records what has happened, we need to prevent it happening in the first place. The theory is we test people and those returning a positive test have all the people they've been in contact with over the possible time they have been infectious contacted and told to isolate. If this is done efficiently i.e. test results returned as quickly as possible, people contacted as quickly as possible and those told to isolate actually then isolating (being given the requisite support to do so) then we will drive down the infections/R rate etc. It's not rocket science and has happened successfully in other countries, but then they don't have ****wit governments like ours.
Edit: posted same time as Gav
mandryka
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So are you clear that these other things, trace and support, are happening elsewhere in Europe?
(I agree with your general point obviously, I’m just trying to make more sense of what’s going on, dig a bit deeper. There’s also the issue of whether it’s too late for Trace to be effective.)
That's why we're going to need another lockdown sadly!
mandryka
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gavreid
Pretty Words...
I think everywhere is becoming overwhelmed by numbers because they all thought (mistakenly) that they were putting the economy ahead of the virus. Germany is still ahead of the game. Here's an opinion piece in Bloomberg from last month...
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...ance-and-the-u-k-fail-the-test-and-trace-test
It'll need to be before then I think. I reckon we'll be at 50K cases per day in a few weeks time.
mandryka
pfm Member
https://www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/908/covid-16 -what-matters-is-what-works
So Burnham is now suggesting something like Herd Immunity while protecting the vulnerable, and he says this
If he has a viable shielding programme then that would be a major step forward. No details on the web that I can see, fingers crossed that it's not half baked, a rabbit pulled out of the hat at the last minute.
So Burnham is now suggesting something like Herd Immunity while protecting the vulnerable, and he says this
If he has a viable shielding programme then that would be a major step forward. No details on the web that I can see, fingers crossed that it's not half baked, a rabbit pulled out of the hat at the last minute.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
Hard to know, as the Government has continually lied about it. Everytime Hancock opens his mouth, untruths flow.
They've included
Double testing
Antibody testing
Research testing
Tests posted out but not analysed
Tests that fail for some reason
Driving tests*
This may help.
Stephen
*satire, but only just ...
ff1d1l
pfm Member
You forgot previously used tests mailed out.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
People need to use their common sense- if you take the giant cotton bud out of the container and there’s a nostril hair stuck to a green lump on it, then run it under the tap before using it. Oh and remember to score out the old address and put your own on it.
ff1d1l
pfm Member
I hadn't seen this before - apologies if its been posted already. Probably the best world overview you're likely to see.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-global-data/
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-global-data/
jwb5463
pfm Member
Bolton SE MP now in hospital with Covid-related pneumonia
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54598378
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54598378
Tony L
Administrator
Good Law Project unearthing yet more staggering corruption and siphoning of tax-revenue from our beloved government (Good Law Project).
They misused cheap nationalism to get Brexit/elected but then show how much they really respect the country they govern by ripping it off. Simply amazing.
sean99
pfm Member
Exactly the same as in the US. Test results taking 5+ days to come back so effectively useless. Workers scared to self quarantine in case they lose their jobs. Wave of evictions coming up just in time for winter. But, the stock market is up !
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