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Classic British Modern & Free Jazz Recommendations

Discussion in 'music' started by poco a poco, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    This could be the real deal and maybe historically significant. Great lineup. Hopefully you'll report back.

    The Harry Beckett has a nice glossy, flip-back sleeve too, although the artwork is no award winner. I think Honest Jon's still have a copy.
     
  2. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Paul Shearsmith apparently also played in the Spontaneous Music Orchestra (about which I know every little!)
     
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  3. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I saw the SME but not the 'larger' Orchestra (although the name seemed a bit interchangeable) quite a few times from the late 60's to mid 80's, but I wasn't aware of him. I think I only ever saw Derek Bailey on guitar with them. Is he on any of their recordings?
     
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  4. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    Derek Bailey appears on a pair of live (ICA) early 70s SME LPs (and later CDs) on the Emanem label - alongside Evan Parker and Trevor Watts et al. I have the LPs and they are worth hearing.

    Roger Smith appears on the Incus SME LP Biosystem. I have that too, and I'd describe it as the most 'lower case' SME I've heard - prescient in many respects. I don't think it has ever appeared digitally, but I could be wrong.

    I hate recommending this stuff to people I don't personally know, as I realise it's of very limited appeal. But if you have the ear for it they are important historical recordings.

    I didn't realise there was an SMO, but it would make sense I suppose.
     
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  5. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    Graham, Yes I wasn't clear I just meant Roger Smith and Paul Shearsmith (Trumpet & Trombone?) I should have said 'them'. I am aware of the Derek Bailey stuff.
     
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  6. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    I wasn't sure. You may have even been at the SME ICA recording!

    Last time I looked Biosystem was fetching quite high prices, as do most Incus LPs.
     
  7. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    He's listed as playing on this compilation which includes 1973 recordings from the Little Theatre Club, ICA and elsewhere (originally issued as 'Mouthpiece').
     
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  8. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    I've been enjoying flicking through a collection of 25 years of John Fordham's writing for Time Out, The Guardian etc.

    I always find it interesting to read contemporary accounts of music and amongst the reports of Dexter Gordon and Lockjaw Davies is a healthy sprinkling of Evan Parker, Derek Bailey, Han Bennink etc from the early 70s onwards.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1856261816/?tag=pinkfishmedia-21
     
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  9. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    There is a M- Biosystem on Discogs for £30 at the moment so not as bad as most of the Incus recordings. I think I posted before about not buying these at the time they came out as there was a great record shop in High Holborn that always had them in the window. At the time I always preferred to see this form of music live rather than buy the Records. Although I have some.

    I did see the SME at the ICA a couple of times as well as Bedford College and elsewhere (that I've forgotten), but I don't think I was at the recorded concert, but my memory is not what it was.
     
  10. John C

    John C pfm Member

    Bobby Bradford with SME Vols 1 and 2 on Nessa are excellent. John Stevens was an extraordinary person I suspect.
     
  11. claire.foxx

    claire.foxx Trans lives matter more than cis feelings

    @Tony L thanks for that link to Michael Garrick Septet,I just picked up one with 34 now left. That would have sailed past me.

    EDIT: the download is great really nicely played.
     
  12. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    Thanks both. Couldn’t resist, especially as it was recorded at what would become young Marchbanks’ stamping ground a decade later. He saw some great jazz there too.
     
  13. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Got the Michael Garrick Septet today. Definitely worth having IMO, an interesting snapshot of a seldom captured and underground period of UK jazz. The recording quality is fairly basic mono but it captures a dynamic and driving band, it certainly retains the energy of the performance. A good band for sure. I’ve only played side one once so far, but based on that it’s worth a punt and I can’t see it ever being worth less than the asking price given an issue number of just 350.
     
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  15. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Depends I guess. I'm very happy for private recordings of interesting music to be released - even if the sound quality is less than pristine.

    The CD was reasonably well reviewed when it was released ten years ago:
    https://www.allaboutjazz.com/live-a...ell-reel-recordings-review-by-john-kelman.php
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/mar/11/ian-carr-live-at-the-union
     
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  16. sideshowbob

    sideshowbob 47 Lab Rat

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  17. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    I enjoyed that one too, but I’m a bit of an Oxley fan. His solo piece recorded live at the Barbican on the Bailey/Oxley CD The Advocate is also stunning.

    I was very taken the Tales From Hackney on Confront, Arild Anderson/Clive Bell/Mark Wastell. Not what I was expecting, stretched compositions. Arild on particularly good form and great sound.
     
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  18. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    I agree, I think LJC is being a bit hard on this one. But he does tend to be a bit binary in his opinions.
     
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  19. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    I only have a handful of releases on Confront. Anyone care to make a few recommendations? Quite interested in lowercase-y stuff but anything really.
     
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  20. sideshowbob

    sideshowbob 47 Lab Rat

    I really like the Sealed Knot records I've heard. the John Coltrane 50th anniversary CD is great too, Paul Dunmall's Sunship Quartet plus guests. The Confront bandcamp has downloads of lots of the out of print releases, and is a good place to listen to samples.
     
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