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British History's Biggest Fibs

Discussion in 'off topic' started by avole, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. avole

    avole A wise man reflects

    Just finished watching this.

    Did any other fishies see the show? I'd be interested to hear people's opinions, as I've been out of the British history scene for quite a few years now, having studied both SE Asian and Pacific history, so am not really up to date with the differing interpretations of our history, let alone current historians. To be truthful, I'd only vaguely heard of Lucy Worsley, the presenter, and this is the first time I've seen one of her shows.
     
  2. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    I thought this was going to be another Brexit thread. ;)
     
  3. cutting42

    cutting42 Heading to Fish Hacker Erg \o/

    We love Lucy in our family. She is a specialist on the Tudors and Elizabethans but is one of the finest documentary presenters out there. Did not see this program but have been watching her similar program on American historical inaccuracies.
     
  4. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    I think Lucy Worsley is excellent. See also her series on the Tsars of Russia (all on YouTube).

    The chapter on the British in India was especially interesting, as I'd just finished reading this:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inglorious-Empire-What-British-India/dp/1849048088

    Somewhat of a polemic, but it presents an entirely different view of the British in India i.e. that the British, rather than being the great civilising influence that they liked to think they were, robbed the place blind and used India's wealth to make themselves prosperous.
     
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  5. richgilb

    richgilb Lol....

    Fairly sure everyone pretty much concurs with the latter?
     
  6. MikeMA

    MikeMA pfm Member

    I've not watched this yet. Does Lucy dress up?
     
  7. awkwardbydesign

    awkwardbydesign Officially Awesome

    She will. We call her scary Lucy!
     
  8. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    Not heard of Lucy? Thinking mans totty amongst my friends, We all love her.

    Any woman who does not mind dressing up gets our vote.
     
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr and Weekender like this.
  9. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    She’s awful as a presenter!
    Self indulgent tosh in a frock.
     
  10. cutting42

    cutting42 Heading to Fish Hacker Erg \o/

    There's always one
     
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  11. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    There’s a suite of some of the biggest and dirtiest ones there. Told by a class of politician we haven’t seen since Peterloo.
     
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  12. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Not UKIP. It’ll be “we brought civilisation to the brown people”. We’re still giving them charity and they’re putting satellites into space.
     
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  13. richgilb

    richgilb Lol....

    He's right. Suzannah Lipscomb has far more talent....

     
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  14. avole

    avole A wise man reflects

    I haven’t seen the Empire, but thought this was well known and how the British in India, and they were were not alone, have been regarded for many years. That isn’t to say there were not positives, however, as my old prof would say, but, overall, the British period was one of exploitation. Later on, when the riches were gone and the UK government had to take over, things did change, but there are many question marks about that period, too.
     
  15. Nic Robinson

    Nic Robinson Moderator

    Whodathunkit!
     
  16. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    Niall Ferguson doesn't:

    https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Britain-Made-Modern-World/dp/0141007540

    On the contrary, he regards the Empire as A Good Thing (apart from a few minor blemishes). The book, it has to be said, is well written, well argued and quite persuasive, but the Tharoor book presents a necessary corrective.

    I think this forum is unusual in that the folk who inhabit it are, in general, more literate, better informed and more profoundly thinking than average. There are a lot who aren't. You just have to look at the Brexit vote to see how many folk are missing the glories (real or imagined) of days gone by, and how Brexit will somehow restore them.
     
  17. richgilb

    richgilb Lol....

    Agree. Its about as obvious to Brits that it was bad as Hitler for Germans. And the Germans likely have more Hitler supporters now than UK has Empire supporters. I see AFD got 6 million votes, UKIP 500,000.

    I wonder if Tones is English or what? Seems like an unnecessary dig at UK whatever.
     
  18. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    Nope, born in Belfast, rather a long time ago...
     
  19. calorgas

    calorgas pfm Member

    I quite like Ms Worsley but I haven't watched this one yet. Does she mention any of the stuff we got up to in China? Destruction of the Summer Palace etc.
     
  20. richgilb

    richgilb Lol....

    Yeah ok, well there are polar views in every corner of the world. Unearth any stone, you will find subculture. I wonder what I would unearth if I started digging around in Switzerland / Northern Ireland. When I quickly find the far-right anti-immigration, protectionist party or well-known advocate of, I am hardly likely to use it to bounce off 'an entirely different view'.
     

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