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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XV

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Minio, Oct 9, 2021.

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  1. Minio

    Minio Not flakey and never soggy ...

    The government should have kept freedom of movement.
    It would not have pleased the Farages of this world but would have eased the supply line shock we are currently experiencing in a lot of sectors.
    For many, Brexit was intended as a warning shot to Brussels. Not a serious intention to hang ourselves. It was a bit like voting for industrial action when the biggest losers will be those who voted (ie in their pay packets) should they go ahead with it.
    Funnily enough the last vote of that type I was involved in, resulted in no action as it would not have been legal; even though the results of the ballot were in favour of industrial action.
     
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  2. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    We have a very responsible meeja that is in no way creating the problem it is reporting in order to gain more clicks.

    Oh no. As if.

    It's all very responsible.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-leaves-Britons-claiming-unable-buy-food.html

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shelves-empty-across-uk-millions-25177252

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16373968/supermarket-shelves-empty-stockpiling-essentials/

    I predict headlines about 'NO FOOD FOR SALE ANYWHERE IN THE UK' when the Great Xmas Food Panic kicks in. eBay will be awash with backed beans for £20 a tin.
     
  3. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Link 1: photo, black man with large quantity of bog roll in trolley. very DM

    Link2: Al Zahawi announces “skills boot amp” to get hgv drivers in the road. Very “call the army in” / bring back national conscription for young layabouts.

    Link 3: curiously more demographically/ statistically appropriate pic- thick white people hoarding bog roll and bottled water. Are they expecting epidemic dysentery from reading too much conspiracy crap on Facebook?
     
  4. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    In other news, EU tearing itself apart over sausage leading to- Private Francois takes the EU surrender,


    Brexit LIVE: EU tearing itself apart as sausage wars move masks internal split
    THE bitter disputes over the Northern Ireland Protocol and fishing access to UK waters conceal deep divisions within the European Union, a Brexiteer has claimed.
    By OLIVER PRITCHARD-JONES
    22:01, Sat, Oct 9, 2021 | UPDATED: 22:02, Sat, Oct 9, 2021


    Brexit: Brussels surrenders to Britain! Lord Frost 'vindicated' as bloc finally caves
    BRUSSELS has backed down over blocking the sale of British sausages in Northern Ireland following Brexit.
     
  5. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    Many years from now English children will ask their Grandparents what they did during the Great Sausage War of 2021.
     
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  6. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    I've never said that, or believed that, the EU was perfect. However the benefits of being a member outweighed the costs and demerits. We are now faced with all the disadvantages of the EU as our biggest trading partner, plus all the disadvantages of going it alone and being outside the SM, CU, etc, and no ability to change either.
     
  7. eternumviti

    eternumviti Wittering on the Vine

    I should know better than to indulge you, as it seems only to feed your vindictive spite, but I see it has also fed that of the other 'usual suspect' too. I asked you earlier what had made you pose the question, as its only logical basis seemed to me to be puerile, deliberately inflammatory, or simply ignorant. So indulge you I will, at my peril no doubt. No, of course I didn't support Putin's annexation of Crimea.

    I have no idea what you mean by 'found solace in the EU' s response' either. The EU openly stirred up trouble in the Ukraine as part of its drive to bring the country into its regulatory and cheap labour orbit, led by its rabble-rouser in chief, Guy Verhofsadt. Needless to say our Guy, who has an expensive Aston Martin habit to feed, had his fingers in one or two tasty commercial pies in the Ukraine, much as he had done during the EU's smashing up of Greece. It is not defending Putin, for Putin is what he is, to say that Russia's behaviour was a predictably opportunistic response to the EU's inept meddling.
     
  8. eternumviti

    eternumviti Wittering on the Vine

    I think there's merit in this. The question for me was always about 'whether the EU was beyond reproach', weasel words though they are, which usually lead to a diatribe about how wonderful the EU really is. The EU is so far beyond reproach as to leave mere reproach a dot in the rear view mirror.

    The questions that we should have been, and should continue to be, asking ourselves I have posited here before, but should be repeated;

    Is the EU a good thing?

    Will the UK be worse off for leaving the EU?

    Was the UK right to leave the EU?

    The answers to the first two are pretty clear to me. The answer to the third lies in a number of factors - the balance between one and two, the state of the UK's preparations in the event of leaving, and future government policy.
     
  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Yes and No. On balance about 7/10 in favour

    Yes.

    No.
     
  10. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    An update from the Sunlit Uplands:

    "Trade war looms as UK set to spurn EU offer on Northern Ireland"

    "France calls on UK to ‘pay what it owes’ for policing Channel"

    "Boris Johnston faces fresh Brexit clash with judges. No 10 prepares for confrontation in courts and House of Lords over Northern Ireland"

    "Brexit row erupts: Frost brutally blasts back at Ireland as spat goes public 'Listen!'"

     
  11. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    No there is nothing 'weasel' about knowing that the EU is not beyond reproach because that was not the question. You don't get to frame a question that wasn't asked, just because you wish to use your view of the EU as justification for your answer the totally different question that was before us.

    On balance it is indeed a good thing. Many of the aspects of which you have admitted in the past. Indeed you still claim to have been troubled by being confronted with such a choice.

    Obviously. Only someone determined to look the other way could fail to notice this.

    Certainly not. It's wasted Billions, divided the UK, weakened our world standing and caused immense difficulties for perfectly good businesses that were set up in good faith, many of which that would not have existed at all but for the opportunities presented by such a large inclusive market next door. That's without the very obvious political and reputational damage that Johnson feels emboldened to persist with.

    The level of organisation and preparation needed to even reduce the fall out was nowhere in sight and a smug "we're special" or "they need us more than we need them" was the most appalling hubris that other people pay the price for.
     
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  12. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    What’s with the water buying?, is tap water undrinkable in the U.K. all of a sudden?, water filters banned?
     
  13. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Don't swim in the rivers or around the coast these days. Those blue beaches were always over-rated anyway. :)
     
  14. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    To paraphrase Bercow: 'calm yourself man. You're shouting, waving your arms about and going very red in the face. Maybe take up yoga.'

    You're anti-annexation. The EU are also anti-annexation. You are now aligned with the EU. Maybe you are just a confused Remainer.

    Guy has an Aston? Lucky man.
     
  15. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    It doesn’t help that we have the very worst newspapers in the world, always on the brink of hysteria and always ready to turn a drama into a crisis.
     
  16. eternumviti

    eternumviti Wittering on the Vine

    Almost always weasel words, for the simple reason I pointed out. The sentence nearly always precedes an unquestioning vindication of the virtuosity of the EU.

    A simple question was set before us. We don't then answer that question without thoroughly interrogating our reasoning. Do do this effectively, you divide the question into its vital components, debate them with your own conscience, and with other people. From this process you reach a decision.

    Indeed, and so I am.

    This is currently certainly beyond dispute.

    I think far too soon to tell. The EU is making itself busy post brexit/covid in becoming increasingly and much more assertively imperialistic. We are not looking at an attractive organisation.
     
  17. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    I've said this before, and, although IANAL, it seems that there may be a case for many businesses to sue the government for pure economic loss as a result of negligence, for the reasons above. Johnson was warned that this would happen, that the disruption to supply chains would be inevitable once we left the SM/CU leaving some previously lucrative business models unviable, and yet what does he do? He just lies about it being a necessary part of the transition to a high-skill, high-wages economy. Utter contemptuous b*ll*cks. So I say to the businesses thus affected: go ahead. Scare the living daylights out of this so-called 'government' and threaten to sue them.
     
  18. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    Disagree with that. UK as you agree have taken the worst option.
    On the monetary union it has been flawed and fraught with problems but most of those problems were created by the foolishness of the so called Pigs. Of course the Germans play a huge part for the lack of oversight by their institutions during that period. For sure the policy needs to be more diversified and what has been acknowledged here by many on the remain side is the slowness of the EU to act. That has always been a problem.

    But at the end of the day this is a Brexit thread and for all the valid policies etc you have outlined afaik the UK did not leave to pursue any of those noble goals. There in lies the problem. As has been repeated many times most of the people who voted leave didn't even understand what they wanted or the mess they were voting for. As quoted below by Minio which is more of the cake and eat it scenario they wanted to give the EU a bloody nose but with typical British exceptionalism keep the parts of the EU that worked in their favour.

     
  19. eternumviti

    eternumviti Wittering on the Vine

    You seem to be getting a bit desperate, Kirk. There comes a time when you really need to zip it, but no, on you thrash.

    On your first non-point, I feel almost supranaturally calm today, and there is nothing in my post to indicate otherwise. Grow up.

    On your second non-point, you've evidently both failed to read what I wrote, or looked past the end of your own nose at the EU's behaviour.

    You seem content with that corrupt, shit-stirring little shit Verhofstadt. Fine by me, he's out of my loop now. We've got lots of work to do right here dealing with our own corrupt shits, elected and otherwise.

    Why not just try to be a bit more civil?
     
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  20. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    ^That didn't come across as very calm, EV.
     
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